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assignments
Is Nursing a profession? Can you help? Assigment Advice etc
jackiegear <jackie@lyme-green.co.uk>
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 21:46:21 (BST)
success at last!
Rang the Childrens ward for the 6th time and it seems that the sister who places the students has been on holiday so no-one knew I was coming - so I chose my own 2 days and early shifts!! ARSE!!!!
Anita
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 17:46:51 (BST)
Forgive me for being cranky, it has been a long month. But, Sharon, please learn to spell or type before you write that CV!
Amanda
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 02:56:29 (BST)
re: pay rise and cv
well i did not get a pay rise! pissed off! and as for cv look in the back of the nursing times and you can get guidnace any tips i sat branch on monday and my physioogy is not up to scrtach still dont know nervious system
sharon <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 00:45:28 (BST)
CV
Does anyone know of any good sites about writing CV's. Hobbes, have you any tips?? Much appreciated
claire
- Saturday, September 29, 2001 at 23:03:26 (BST)
Still don't exist
Well I have rang the paediatric ward 5 times now and still don't know when I am meant to be working this week!! They have promised to ring me back twice and nobody has, it is too late to ring allocations now too!! Well, I am not going to continue to chase them.
Anita
- Saturday, September 29, 2001 at 16:38:33 (BST)
don't say that. I am putting that extra money away every month so that at the end of the course a few of us will take a holiday to celebrate our graduation
kate
- Friday, September 28, 2001 at 22:07:33 (BST)
I'm broke!
Does anyone here get paid their bursary at the end of the month? If so, have you received this 10.4%pay rise we were meant to be getting in September, as I certaintly haven't! There goes my night out on the town tonight!
ange
- Friday, September 28, 2001 at 08:57:40 (BST)
Yes I am on my 2 days paediatric placement next week and I have rang the ward twice now, to no avail!! I don't exist
Anita
- Thursday, September 27, 2001 at 21:18:26 (BST)
It's worse when you know where you are going, but they can't tell you which shift you are working. I was told to show up for days on my first day and work with whatever I was assigned. So much being able to arrange childcare for a 12 hour overnight shift.
Amanda
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 22:51:04 (BST)
Heath
I know that feeling!! I know where my community placement is, I have known for 3 weeks as my friend has just been on there and they told her - college hasn't told me yet!!!!
Anita
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 21:40:24 (BST)
Handovers
Hi Sarah,
Try this link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=9485849
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 19:39:57 (BST)
Barmy organisation
Lorna, I know how you feel. I just found out from my very pregnant friend where and when my maternity placement is before the college have told me, 'it hasn't been confirmed' is their line!!!! Give me strength!!
Heath
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 18:56:21 (BST)
Hellllpp!
Ok people, I need your help! If anyone knows of any references or articles - on or offline about handovers please let me know ASAP Thanks commrades :)
Sarah <rhemauk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 18:36:11 (BST)
all uni are just as bad with essays anita. Mine tryed to have me disqulified from the course last year because THEY lost my resubmition of an essay so put it down as a non submition. but i was lucker than you as i'm doing childrens nursing and have a great pursonal tutor who gave me the number for our uni appeals people. They fought the decision for me and won. never mine only another year to go. On an other topic i go back out on practice on monday and am only going to find out where tomorrow great orgaisation isent it.
lorna
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 17:04:43 (BST)
thanx hoobes
hey mate thanx for that piece of advice cos i was like very lost and i will definitely be gojing to see him as well as go to unison for some help cheers later
junior <jiggawha23@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 14:49:06 (BST)
Hey hobbes you are one popular guy!!! You make me laugh too!!
Anita
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 21:45:16 (BST)
Tichanoa, Anita + Glen
Dear Tichanoa - sorry don't know enough about the subject, although I do know of students reapplying several times even when they've done part of the course. I think if you can site personal problems, they may take this into consideration. I'd go and see your former student rep. Anita-I'm so glad its worked out ok, only 18 months to go! Blimey Tutors you can trust what ever next? Glen-Unions are just like any other business, they tout for income, i.e. new members, beware about payments. I guess they are hoping that in your compacity as course rep you'll be able to offer them access to potential UNISON members. As nurses we are under strict guidelines not to take money/gifts from firms in our capacity as nurses. I'd be very wary about this, check what these "things" are and check your UKCC code of conduct. Even though your still a student your still on part of the register, and if you start taking money you could be thrown off, I've never heard of this before, but I'll ask around give me a week or so. This man sounds very shady-Beware!
Hobbes nee Hoobes I'm Iver not Roma
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 15:52:12 (BST)
hoobes
hey hoobes is there any hope in me restarting in fbruary and if so have you got any universities i can reapply to because i cannot be able to pay any fees next year at all after all im just a student with huge dapts
tichaona junior <jiggawha232hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 14:24:08 (BST)
appealing still
not really i my case is still at the appeals board and i didnt get my bursary for this month -i got a letter from nhs grants saying ammendments to grant saying i owe them £29.00 wat do i do because i want to appeal through unison ?i have no money and will have to work agncy to survive -the uni did not offer any kind of support whatsoever and im not metioning the college unless u want me to.it is really depressing i cant function as i always used to -
tichaona junior <jiggawha23@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 14:19:09 (BST)
Hobbes
Yes you are quite right of course, I decided 'carefully does it', so I collared the head of our school, who has recently been promoted and whom I do get on with. Anyway it seems he was expecting me to contact him as it had been him that had been the 'external verifier'. I told him that I was not there to slag off anyone and that I just wanted an explanation - he was brilliant, he told me he had looked at the essays and said that they were definately a clear pass and that he had had a word with my tutor. He told me I was in the school because I deserved to be, and that I was a good student. He also said that he had seen some crap essays in the past and yes, he had to kick people off the course, but mine was good and met the criteria. He really boosted my confidence. I feel that I handled it really well, didn't go in with guns blazing. I explained that I wanted our conversation to be in confidence and he agreed. Anyway my tutor will not be marking any more essays of ours now but if I want to change tutors I can go and see this guy and he will arrange it. A good result all round I'd say!! Incidentally, the tutor in question came to have a chat with us at break, full of concern and being really nice!! huh
Anita
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 19:22:55 (BST)
i am just about to start an essay on a patient problem with eating but have to back it up with theory. I am having difficulty sorting out the difference between a conceptual framework and a theory. Any body give me any help?
helen
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 19:08:27 (BST)
Unison - too much for nurses?
Hi , i have recently been directed to this site and can't believe i have missed it all this time. It's great and it seems that everybody on the whole seems to behave themselves on it too. I am a second year and a course rep and also generally help out dishing out info and the like to my fellow students, my students' union also sent me on some cool courses during the summer to help me represent better. I met some fantastic people and met a really nice lady called Hannah from Unison at some of the events. Anyway I was asked to speak to the students this year and asked the people who were there from Unison about this lady and said i had met her and i was told she had been sacked because all she was interested in was nursing students. eh? I asked the gentlemen there if he was a nurse and he wasn't, he wasn't even a hospital worker. He said that was irrelevant and that he could still represent me regardless. Now i haven't joined any of the unions yet, but i intend to when i finish and i want to become active and this has left me rather confused. Can someone please explain to me the difference between the two unions and why are they sacking people for being interested in nursing. By the way i am at home at the moment but i study in Teeside but am originally from nottingham. Glad to have found you all at long last Love Glen xxxxx PS is it usual for unions to offer money to students? The man from unison told me that they could pay if i could get them exclusive access to "things". Is this normal practice?
Glen Baker <gbaker34@hotmail.com>
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 16:58:04 (BST)
Tichanoa
Have they said you can't restart?
Hoobes
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 13:35:59 (BST)
restarting again
i have recently been withdrawn from my uni mand it is depressing believe me cos i was 2 years gone and due to personal problems i had to go.wat should i do now ?im 10 000 miles away from home and i really want to start again got suggestions email me thanx
tichaona junior <jiggawha23@hotmail.com>
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 12:59:48 (BST)
soon to be student!!
Is there anyone who is studying at Barts? i've been accepted and would be grateful to anyone who has any info about what's in store! How is everyone managing on the bursary as well as the expence in London? Cheers, Anne
Anne <angharad81@hotmail.com>
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 12:47:28 (BST)
Anita
Its a tough choice, initially I thought just keep your head down, as your marks are fairly meaningless at the end of the day, as is 99% of all the college work you do. Remember they'll never ask you in job interviews what grades you got at college as nobody in the real world of nursing is interested. Still you've got 18 months to go. You've got to ask yourself: 1) How many more assignments is this guy likely to mark? 2) What marks do other lecturers give, do they tally with this blokes? If he's not marking your essays anymore, fine leave it, and maybe when you've finished the course and got your registration you should inform the head of nursing about this guys behaviour. If your scraping by with assignments that are marked by other lectueres you need to identify your weaknesses and work on them, not to put the wind up you but if you fail 3 bits of work they'll throw you off the course. If this guy is going to carry on marking your work, then you've got a problem. Is it something personal, has he got something against you? Have you pissed him off? Or is he like it with everyone. If you feel you have a legitimate grievance against this guy then your in for a rough ride. Basically expect zero support from other lectueres. They will not take kindly to a student having a go at a collegue. I'd start with getting hold of your student and nursing reps first ask them for advice. Maybe a ward manager would also be a good start. Your probably got a tutor in mind that you think is approachable, just beware thats all I can say. They are a Clannish lot tutors. As I've said before the course is about surival not grades. It may not feel good when your getting crappy grades, but to put it bluntly in this world you have to eat shit alot of the time and be seen to be enjoying it. In my experiance, both in and out of nursing its tough going against the establishment unless you have a cast-iron case. I'll keep an eye on the forum if you want to reply. Good luck!
Hobbes
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 10:22:56 (BST)
the RCN
On a completly differant if some what minor note, has anyone ever tried to speak to someone at the RCN on the phone, actually speak to someone? i was 12 minutes trying to get through the other day before slamming the phone down in anger, i have since tried on 3 other occasions. The RCN website is no help neither. SOrt it out our great union.
Nat Mills <natwm@btopenworld.co.uk>
- Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 22:14:20 (BST)
Thanks
Thanks to you all, I am glad it is not just our college who have ridiculous ways!! By the way I will be branching at Xmas, so only 18 months of stress left. I am very anxious now, my tutor never encourages me and he even wrote that in the 13 months I had been doing the course he had seen no improvement!! Despite the fact that I know I will make a bloody good nurse and I get glowing reports from placement!
Anita
- Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 13:47:23 (BST)
has anyone else had the experience of enquiry based learning is it really taking over the way nurses are taught. does anyone else feel it is just a money saving pile of jiz. i have put up for it for 2 years now and apparently loads of other universitys are starting to use it. god help the nursing profession.
danner <dannyyyyyyyyyy@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 03:49:50 (BST)
anita
We've got one teacher who when asked if could go over an essay replied to the student not to bother until she's at least 18months into the course. My tutor advised me when writing an essay choosing one of the Activities of Living not to choose mobility 'cos she was bored of looking at that type of essay. Never mind the fact that the placement involved was an orthopaedic ward!!!!!! Some tutors on our course have been known to mark vastly different to eachother so much that now our essay's are to be group marked, which means that a group of 5-10 teachers get together and go over the essays together and give appropriate marks. Hopefully this should work out to be fairer (she says!!!) by the way where are you studying Anita and how far into the course are you????????
dawn
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 19:21:24 (BST)
makes me sick that the ability to continue in the nursing profession hangs on writing an essay. I mean what a waste of time essays are. No one enjoys writing them, they cause worry and stress. Don't know about you but our essays have to be precise with referencing and stuff. We have a whole handbook on it. If we put fullstops and brackets in the wrong place then we lose marks. Most of the essays are not relevent to the actual placements we are on. Anita just hang on in there, this nightmare will soon be behind you
claire
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 11:26:10 (BST)
anita
how long have you got to go til you finish the course?
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 11:20:20 (BST)
ps
I have heard that they are changing the fact that we should go to our personal tutors over essays and that we are all now able to go to the module leader. Whether this will work in practice is another matter. I feel as though I am on a sinking ship with my colleagues and we are all hanging onto a life raft!!!
Anita
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 10:15:35 (BST)
Claire
I'm not sure but I think that because it was a re-submission is why he marked it. Yes the module leader is marking the next one but I'm not sure whether my tutor will mark my record of development, I think they do, to see how we are getting on. I am very concerned about this and don't know what to do about it. If I failed this course it would be a disaster for me.
Anita
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 10:13:42 (BST)
Do your personal tutors always have a say over your essays? our personal tutor's have no say over our essay's. It is marked by the module organisers. My tutor wouldn't have a clue about some of the modules.
claire
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 21:15:58 (BST)
anita, this is terrible. Is there a head of nursing you can speak to? It seems a terrible injustice that people can be thrown off of the course because of the incompetency's of the tutors. I think everyone can sympathise with you with crappy tutor's. I have seen mine just twice in the whole course
claire
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 21:13:19 (BST)
pps
Other students have told me that there has been trouble of this kind with this tutor before, one male student nearly hit him apparantly!!
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 18:52:19 (BST)
ps
I do not find him approachable and choose to see someone else usually. I feel intimidated by him and he has a reputation of only bothering with females that he actually fancies! He is a leche!
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 18:50:17 (BST)
Concerned
I am pretty angry at the moment. I managed to pass my exam at the 2nd attempt along with 2 little 500 word essays. When I went to collect my work, which I had been pretty proud of, I was told that my personal tutor had failed it initially and then it was sent to the external verifier who passed it. When I looked into the folder I found a sheet of paper that I don't think I was supposed to see. It was just a scribble note written by the external verifier, he or she had said the exact opposite to what my tutor had said about my work and even recommended that I receive 'at least 45 - 49% if not 50 - 59%' or a C, if graded!!! Now correct me if I am wrong, does this not seem a bit worrying??? How many other students have been kicked off the course by tutors who can't even agree on marking? My tutor is pretty unpopular at the moment, he is getting ready to retire and makes no secret of the fact that he hates modern nurse training. I am at a loss of who to go to, or do I keep my head down and risk failing?
Anita
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 18:48:04 (BST)
all over
with one hour and five minutes to the deadline i have just completed my final assignments - quite frankly i am surprised i managed to do it without an extension! i will never have to do another assignment again, well, hopefully if i pass, but not if i decide to do my degree - ah well now i shall rest...thanks to this site for keeping me sane
anne-marie
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 15:03:08 (BST)
Anita
Thanks for listening to me. Sometimes you just don't want to moan to your pals or anyone that knows you and it's good to know that somebody is out there to whinge to!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dawn
- Thursday, September 20, 2001 at 23:18:16 (BST)
important
just to let you all know we will be having sandra trunel on the 26th september here who is the head of nursing association at alexandras she will be answering numerous questions so please try and make it as this will be a rare visit thanks
staff@student nursing <nicole21uk2001@yahoo.co.uk>
- Thursday, September 20, 2001 at 18:19:37 (BST)
yes, i;ve just spoken to some people who have just qualified and they have to wait 2 months possibly longer for their pin no's. I'm gonna have a long holiday when i finish! Live on the credit card for a bit and worry about it later!!
kate
- Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 19:54:05 (BST)
Light at the end of the tunnel
Just to let you all know that however long left to go you have it'll fly in. Ive just finished this month and cant quite beleive that 3 years went by so quick. Word of advice save some money because theres a six week gap between last bursery and first pay check. I havent a penny all the best XX
Russell <nurserusty@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 10:49:59 (BST)
Dawn
I am glad you feel better, you seem to have sorted out the nasty staff anyway - I am about to finish my Urology placement and I have thoroughly enjoyed it, I can see myself applying for a job there in 18 months. It makes such a difference when the staff are lovely doesn't it though? I also feel that the first 2 or 3 weeks of a placement are horrific, I really get stressed, then once you settle in it is time to leave!!
Anita
- Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 10:26:01 (BST)
placements
I'd just like to thank those who gave me a bit of support on my placement. I've eventually met my mentor who is actually fab and has brought in tons of info for me to read. I decided after the first 3 days to be a bit more confident and basically thought f**k it, if they won't teach me i'll mither them to death, and it's worked. Getting info of some is like getting blood out of a stone but its working and I'm learning a lot and the ones who are nasty I just smile and pretend I don't notice. It's really done my confidence a treat.....Unfortunately I'll only get to see my assessor on 3-4 shifts unless I do nights, so I am(why oh why!!!!!!he-he) but I don't mind 'cos I haven't got little ankle biters....Besides which the USA tragedy has sort of put things into perspective..... thanks a lot folks....dawn
Dawn
- Tuesday, September 18, 2001 at 23:50:17 (BST)
kate
i am so glad it is not just me, everyone looks shocked when i tell them i am no longer a teenager - the cashier in a supermarket actually asked me for id when i was buying some wine a few months ago - i couldn't stop laughing - in the end she said she did need to see my driving license!
anne-marie
- Tuesday, September 18, 2001 at 10:04:54 (BST)
ann marie
i had to laugh at your last post Ann marie. I too look about 19 and am nearly 29. Although it is quite flattering, i find it a barrier sometimes. I often get comments like 'have you just left school?' and people think i am new to nursing. I try and get the crack in of my age as soon as possible. Another favourite of old dears is 'have you got a boyfriend?' when I have been married for 12 years!!!!!
Kate
- Monday, September 17, 2001 at 20:00:44 (BST)
shifts
i suppose i have been really lucky, but in some cases not so lucky, on my proactice placements i always explain why i find it difficult to do shifts and everyone has been really helpful allowing me to do 9-5's, but i have lost out on handover etc. most placements i have been on were usually very accommodating when i explainedi had a four year old daughter(unfortunately i look quite young and i have had people ask me if it was a teenage pregnancy as i only look 19 - when i just turned thirty!!) (or maybe thats fortunate who knows):-)
anne-marie
- Monday, September 17, 2001 at 11:55:38 (BST)
Maria
Usually, a typical shift pattern is about 7/7.30 - 3/3.30 for an early and 1-9 or 1.30 - 9.30 for a late. Some placements allow you to work double shifts and so work a 3 day week. Many are pretty flexible, especially if you have kids and are still supernumary. My placement allows me to do 37 1/2 hours over a 4 day week so its not bad at all - just ask your placement supervisor! Good luck with your training!
ange
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 22:30:33 (BST)
the student madhouse
Thankyou for your messages I'm sure I will be ripping my hair out soon enough!!! Could you give me an idea of the times you work on placements? I realise that different colleges have different schedules but would appreciate a rough idea. Cheers
Maria <madhazys>
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 18:36:18 (BST)
Maria
Donna's right!! I often feel like packing it all in, especially when I am pre-menstrual - my doctor tried to put me on Prozac for my PMT recently, I refused and took progesterone instead! I go through phases of wondering what the hell I am doing at 36, but then I go into work and comfort a patient who has just been told that they are terminally ill and it makes it all worthwhile, especially when that patient asks about me when I am not there and when I am, wants a hug and a kiss!!
Anita
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 11:47:14 (BST)
what on earth is that last message about????
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 11:43:31 (BST)
Wowser man
man nurses... like wow. man i wood dae them all in a back seat o a car just with their gloves oan... but not nurse neil... he ghae
Ranko
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 10:19:29 (BST)
Support nurses in NYC and Washington
Just a quick note to let you know that you can leave messages for health workers in the affected areas of the US disaster by visiting: http://snurse-l.org/ The message board will remain open for the next 48 hours, then all messages will be forwarded to health professionals in those cities as a show of support from their international colleagues. Cheers, Rich Churcher, RN.
Rich Churcher <churcher@ihug.com.au>
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 06:47:27 (BST)
Training in the Madhouse
Hi Maria, welcome to the mad, mad world of student nursing! I'm just entering my second year. Anita has a good insight, ie sometimes you just have to put your kids first. I've also got two kids with a 6-year age-gap, 10 and 4, and have found it hard to study at times. Keep focused on the end product - a professional qualificaiton that will always be needed. We all get times (usually, fleeting moments), and I'm sure Anita will back me up on this, when we feel like chucking it all in. Just focus on why you started and think of the things that you'll be able to do at the end of the three years. My first year has gone so quickly, I feel that I've barely blinked. Organisation is the main key (not that I'm very good at it myself). You'll make good friends and learn loads. ENJOY! There is always this message board to turn to when things don't go as planned, and most of us are pretty damned nice!
Donna
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 23:40:47 (BST)
Maria - welcome to the mad house
Well, Maria, I have just entered my 2nd year and yes it is difficult, I have a 6 yr old very demanding daughter and am on my own, I also work part time too. I find it worse when I am trying to study or when I am doing shifts, getting a miserable 6 yr old up at 6 when I only collected from my mother at 10 the previous night after a 'late'is not easy and it all adds to the stress. I have to work to be able to get WFTC, this is becoming even more difficult, I even took a night off tonight as my daughter is not happy that she has seen little of me this week due to doing 3 lates. Still, I am on a high as I passed my exam yesterday and know that things will only get better!!! (I hope)
Anita
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 21:52:18 (BST)
1st year student
I am starting my course soon and must admit I am feeling very nervous and I am wondering if I will beable to cope with the workload. I have been to college for the last 3 years and have now achieved a kitemarked certificate so that I could apply for nursing. Now that it's here I am feeling a little apprehensive. I am a mum of two, aged 11 and 5 and I wonder if there is anybody out there who can give me some advice about the course and anyone in a similar situation as myself.
Maria <madhazys>
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 19:46:21 (BST)
1st year student
I am starting my course soon and must admit I am feeling very nervous and I am wondering if I will beable to cope with the workload. I have been to college for the last 3 years and have now achieved a kitemarked certificate so that I could apply for nursing. Now that it's here I am feeling a little apprehensive. I am a mum of two, aged 11 and 5 and I wonder if there is anybody out there who can give me some advice about the course and anyone in a similar situation as myself.
Maria <madhazys>
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 18:51:58 (BST)
Poor Matt wishes he was hot with the ladies!!!! He never plucked up the courage!!
Anita
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 17:09:01 (BST)
WFTC
Yes, Ann Marie you are right, it is the only way to survive - I also have to work and so get WFTC, my daughter hates me being on lates and all that at the moment as she says she never sees me, True, but what do we do otherwise?
Anita
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 17:07:54 (BST)
money
i work as a home help i do between 18 and 25 hours aweek - (mortgage nursery fees etc), but no one told me i was eligible for working families tax credit because i had a part-time job. so it you do have dependents and you are working a minimum of 15 hours a week you can apply for this benefit (i don't even think your child has to be in nursery) good luck
anne-marie
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 12:18:01 (BST)
BLINNY
if you are refering to me, I do not think I am hot with the ladies. re read my messages carefully.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 12:04:25 (BST)
Sylv-working on the bank
I did the diploma and worked the bank. Its not easy but it can be done. Firstly the money you get on the bank is'nt taxed which is handy. I used to make a basic of just under five quid and hour without enhancements. I used to do between 1 and two shifts extra a week, usually at weekends when the money was better. If I had a placement at the hospital, then I'd sometimes do long days. For about a five weeks I was doing about 80+ hours a week. I know you can't do this much if you have kids. How does it fit in with course work? This depends if your finding the course work difficult or not. I'd suggest that you get on the mental health bank. Its less taxing physically if your doing nights you have time to catch up on studies. Mental health nurses are much more laid back, so you won't have somebody with a whip standing over you all the time. Sometimes at placements in hospital, the manager would "forget" I was a student that day and I'd get paid for a shift as both student and HCA to make up the numbers.Many people will think this is wrong I saw it as survival. The thing is to realise is college has no idea whats going on when your on placements. You have limited study days on placement right? Negotiate with your managers. Tell them you need a day off to research some of the interventions they use on the wards. Students amaze me when I ask them if they have study time and the reply no. Blagg some study time for christsake! Tell them that your doing extra shifts for them but you need the odd extra study day, to see you through the course. This blagging and negotiating only works when you get to know the wards and staff well. Lectures, skive the odd one now and again and do a bank shift instead. You don't learn anything of value in class anyway. Just don't do too much off this. In college you have study days, work the bank, nobody studies on study days. The more extra work you do on the wards the better the nurse you will be. Just be very shifty where college is concerned. You could be making an extra £200-£300 a month on top of your bursary.
Hobbes
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 11:45:22 (BST)
I need money too ;)
When I started this course, I already had just under £10,000 in government owned debt due to my first degree... my own fault huh :D I've got through this course through eating economy foods, working agency and trying to avoid all luxuries (difficult when you smoke and drink!). Don't ask us how we get through it, when you look at the logistics of it, its entirely impossible, yet many of us manage it without resorting to the most desparate measures! Ah well, only one more year to go for me - not to sure about this "Senior student" role ;) PS forget about trying to start a love-life either if you don't have one, noone seems to be able to meet my strange hours! Ah, its a lonely world....
Claire <ClaireMacL@aol.com>
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 02:58:12 (BST)
I NEED MONEY
Can diploma students on a non-means tested bursery get any other financial help? - Apart from a reduction on my council tax I can't seem to get any more financial help from anywhere. It seems the £100 a week bursary I will receive has to cover everything, whereas degree students appear to get help with travel costs, course materials, child care fees etc. How does banking as a HCA fit in with the course and will I have time to work and get assignments etc done in time? HELP
sylv <sylv91uk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 21:51:03 (BST)
HIYA ALL!!
WELL HELLO THERE! I HAVE READ A GOOD CHUNK OF EVERYBODYS E-MAILS, AND THERE ARE SOME RALLY FUNNY ONES.I MEAN,WHOS THE GUY THAT THINKS HES SO HOT WIV DA LADIES? ANYHOW I START MY TRAINING ON 17/9/01 AND IF ANY ONE ELSEDOES TOO, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR STUFF. BYE-BYE 4 NOW.....................
BLINNY <BELINDA@MEMBURY.FSNET.CO.UK>
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 21:21:24 (BST)
LOOKING FOR A JOB
I am 30 Years old. I am married and have a son aged one. I am presently working as radiographer at the SSRN Hospital in Mauritius. I have been in this service for the last 8 years. I am also part-time radio-TV technician (pocess the City & Guilds Certificate). I would have liked to have a job in UK. Can you please suggest a suitable post for me?
DHOORVANAND GOKOOL <premasen2001@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 19:17:41 (BST)
goody gum drops
i have just finished that 2000 word easy on research utilisation. i have written a presentation on record keeping and criminal liability - now i only have 3 more to do (one 10 min presentation for monday adn 5000 words for friday) yes well i suppose i better get back to work. take care nurse buddies.
anne-marie
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 16:05:05 (BST)
Dawn
I also sympathise with you. I have had many a placement where the staff have no time to teach or simply leave you to your own devices and only talk to you when they want a menial task doing (often not related to your role at all. On my last orthopaedic ward I was treated as an auxillary for 8 weeks and didnt learn a thing at all. I NEVER worked with my mentor so I cant understand how she had the right to grade me - she didnt even know how to do the paperwork, asked me what grade i thought i deserved and then gave me that grade!!! But, hang on in there - I personally feel that as you get further into your training you are granted with more respect. I have five months left now and i can honestly say that it has been worth it. Just get your head down, meet your objectives (where possible) and thank your lucky stars that you never have to work on that ward again!!!
ange
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 15:29:54 (BST)
i can sympathise with you dawn. Some wards just don't want to teach, either because they find students a pain, or they are just too busy. It is really terrible when you are left feeling like this, especially when you know you have several weeks there ahead of you. I have to start on an orthopedic ward next week which i know is crap, but the only way i will get through it is to think thank god I don't work there permantly. I will just get my head down and serve my time!!!!
claire
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 21:57:39 (BST)
assignment
hiya all, i was wondering if anyone can help me to find info regarding hydration and also tissue viability. It is for my physiology work book and i am desperate for some up to date research regarding these topic areas and any references will be of a great big advantage. Anything will be a big help Thanx
jonsey
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 19:42:10 (BST)
What a sad day this is. I imagine we are all very distressed watching the news and the horrific sights in the US. I can't believe how distraught I feel and have just been on chat rooms in the US to express my condolences, there are some very angry people on there, rightly so too.
Anita
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 12:25:50 (BST)
Dawn, As a third year student with only a small amount of time left before qualification I can only sympathize with your situation. The lack off support shown in many situations seems to be the reason why so many students leg it to different professions(and who blames). I have found that as a student i have been moved from one ward to another and even been given 11 medical patients to lookafter when supposedly on a orthopeadic ward. the only thing to do is stick up for yourself and get em to shove their anamosity up there arses..you choose the job, don't accept crap conditions.
chess
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 11:52:01 (BST)
I'm my 2nd placement on a surgical ward and i'm really unhappy. Its only been a couple of days and I've been shunted from one team to the next. My assessor only works 2 days a week and is only holiday until next week which means out of 30 days work, I'm with her for 6 days (pathetic). The ward is interesting but the staff are too busy to deal with the obviously stupid questions I must be asking (by the looks on their faces)and I never felt such anymosity(sorry if spelt wrong) from male nurses as I have done today. I am counting the days down until I finish and I am normally the one to encourage the others to stick with it and now I know how they feel. As if the course wasn't hard enough the trained staff simply forget whats its like and expect after 7 months you should know everything......
Dawn
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 10:30:52 (BST)
forgot to mention u both
soz i forgot to mention your names, thanx to matt and anita for taking time out to boost my spirits, someone out there really does care!! Good god i really am feeling sorry for myself arnt i !! lol lol lol
linzi
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 20:50:10 (BST)
CHEERS !!!!!
Ta to those who cheered me up no end. Im feeling far better now and am on top of my work agan for the time being anyway. As for presentations ive just done one in front of a class of 65 people. It was quite nerve racking but i felt far better when i had the room in up roar because i started off with some rather rude and funny cartoons which i had traced out of a book, they were all to busy laughing to take in what i was saying and my nerves vanished almost immediately. It worked for me so why not give it a try??????????????
Linzi
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 20:43:47 (BST)
Qualification
Anita-depends where you work. I work for a trust that is badly run and so there's no beds and no resources, so alot of the time it can be really, really bad. If you have the misfortune to work for a crap trust, then your best bet is to get on as many courses as you can. Your probably thinking this is the last thing you want to do after 3 years of study, but its more rewarding as courses are all clinical in foucus and may change your practice for the better. Also looks good on CV's and adds weight when going for jobs. I work in mental health so by its nature its going to be more thankless than adult nursing, after all most of my clients don't want to be in hospital and make that quite plain. Its not all bad though the job is mad and fast-paced, working in a team is fun and rewarding. It does make you feel your a somebody and the work you do is crucial. The money although rubbish for the responsibilty you have, you can manage on. The job just gives you alot more confidence in dealing with people and makes you alot more assertive. So like everything has its good or bad points. When going for a job, visit the place first and talk to the people working there, see if the staff are stressed or not. It all depends on what sort of person you are and what sort of environment you want to work in.
Hobbes
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 12:49:37 (BST)
ladies
Hey Hey Hey, I managed to swap phone numbers with a lady the other night! Wish me luck!
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 10:34:07 (BST)
HOBBES
Thanks Hobbes for finding out loads of info for me. I went to OH on Monday and although I travelled at least a hundred miles and my medical was fine, the doctor still could not give me an answer as she had to run it by the consultant. Eventually I was contacted on Wednesday( a week and a half before course commencement) to be told everything is fine. In the meantime I have known nothing and have had to sweat it out. Anyway after a good old moan I will say BYE but cheers .
Andrea
- Sunday, September 09, 2001 at 23:18:29 (BST)
Hobbes
Thanks mate - we need input from you now you are qualified, just to tell us if it is as bad as we expect it to be!!
Anita
- Saturday, September 08, 2001 at 10:31:55 (BST)
to hobbes
hobbes, i really appreciate your posts and i am sure everyone does. Your post has really helped..thank you
rachel
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 20:49:35 (BST)
Rachel-qualifying
Many of you maybe wondering why as a qualified nurse do you post messages on a student nursing forum? Well my training was shite aswell and Rachel a year ago I was feeling the same way you do. Read my post dated 23rd July, to avoid the cock ups I made. I want to improve the students'lot at the moment and don't treat students with contempt as many trained do. I think you lot get a really rough deal and if I can impart any info on avoiding the mistakes I made, then I'll be a happy tiger.
Smug ol' Hobbes
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 17:47:40 (BST)
Presentations
Ahh I remember slagging off presentations when I was student, However you will have to do them when your qualified. You do have to do teaching sessions and when your going for F and G grades you will be expected to do them as part of your interview. However they do have a complete overkill of presentions on the course, I think it makes it convienant for lecturers as they have to do little preparation. Also they never taught us how to do them properly and you ended up with 5 or 6 groups droning on and everybody bored senseless and nobody paying attention. I used to go up with as little preparation as possible and just throw the subject out as a debate, Trisha and Kilroy-style. Also drink loads of alcohol the night before as you really don't give a shit if its a success or not. Happy days. I would'nt recommend this approach when going for a job though. Don't panic future D grades, its highly unlikely you'll be asked to do one for an interview.
Hobbes
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 17:37:43 (BST)
Dawn
Yeah pathetic isnt it? Presentations....huh, they will make you a brill nurse won't they? By the way, I love surgical, much more interesting than my medical placements.
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 16:54:14 (BST)
prensentations
going back to the old presentations (i've been off for a bit). We had one on Wednesday only I was ill (genuinely)along with 14 others (not genuine) and now we have a 5ft lecturer on the war path who has told us that we have to do this presentation (which isn't getting marked whatsoever!!!) in front of 3 other groups who we've never met....I think it's a case of the short person syndrome....And to top it off, I'm still ill....and my 2nd placement on a surgical ward starts on monday and I am poohing myself senseless...
Dawn
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 13:41:58 (BST)
life!! funny old thing?
if you like palliative care so much why think that you have to rotate out after 2 years! And besides isnt 2 years a long way ahead..........who knows what life rich tapestry could embrioder for you by then. Go with the flow, and yes for those control freaks out there, 'you must have a career plan'! B*******! to that. Take every opportunity that arrives at your door and if there not there go looking. Above all be happy as nursing can be a shitty old job at the best of times. All this spend 6 months in surgical and 6 months medical should be way out the door by now unless you really dont know what to do. If Palliative care is what flicks your switch then, hey....good luck and enjoy. Why do you think there are so many sour faced old boots on the wards disguised as staff nurses and sisters, its because they have spent years playing the game and still ended up stuck in the same old same old years later. There are so many opportunities out there for good nurses, go get em girl!!!!
Lou
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 09:56:00 (BST)
I finish in 4 weeks, if I live through palliative care. Only had three patients die in the last 48 hours. My preceptors think I have a future there.... Any advice apart from only work there two years and rotate out???
Amanda
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 00:04:58 (BST)
i am about to qualify in2 weeks and don't know how on earth i am going to manage as a trained nurse. I feel like i know nothing!!!!! I thought by now i would at least have a clue!!!
rachel
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 22:47:57 (BST)
Linzy
I know what you mean, I often feel useless and really don't know how I will get through it and I'm not even half way there yet. When I am pre-menstrual is worse, don't like myself anyway then, so convince myself that I can't do it and want to give it up!! I felt like this 2 weeks ago, now though I have had a brill week, been on Urology day unit and loved it, really busy, saw loads of stuff and thought it was dead interesting, I actually felt pretty useful too!! The essays etc? Well, I havent started my next assignment yet, should have done, so am panicking a bit, I do keep thinking about it!! It is that bit that causes all the stress I think, something we could do without, there must be a better way of becoming a nurse!
Anita
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 21:15:52 (BST)
well eventually after much avoidance i started my research critique of six articles relating to management of patients who deliberately self harm and i have just finished critiquing the first one, and am about to do the second but i thought i would share this with you guys first. nb the other four articles are apparently useless so i have to find more which are evidence based - nursing sucks - no it doesn't i am only joking it think it is my attitude to essays and my complete laziness that sucks - i wish i was more scholarly (prob spelt wrong) and motivated. :-0
anne-marie
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 12:39:14 (BST)
courses for horses
Linzi, what you have to do is this: Did you see the superman film where Superman went bad, then Clark Kent appeared alongside Superman to fight him??? Well you have to make a good Linzi and a bad Linzi. The good Linzi can be a student nurse, and the bad one can do what the hell she likes. Although I've tried doing this and it hasn't worked yet...
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 00:01:22 (BST)
time!!!!!!
excuse me but can anyone shed any light on how the hell they get through this course and maintain a sane head and social life at the same time. i feel at times that im cracking up with all the work involved and then when i do get on top of things you can bet that my mates on the course will phone me up with their problems which i dont mind but it just puts me on a downer again. I feel there is no light at the end of the tunnel, how do u all cope when the going gets tough??????????
linzi
- Wednesday, September 05, 2001 at 21:10:42 (BST)
presentations
We are lucky that our intake only consists of 15 students, so presentations aren't half as bad, we have done 2 sor far!!
Anita
- Wednesday, September 05, 2001 at 18:06:52 (BST)
By the way, still no girlfriend. Anyone interested???
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 23:00:57 (BST)
presentations
I know how it feels to do a presentation in front of your class; we did about five in the last module alone. Believe me, it does get marginally easier every time you have to do one, and I know the audience size is totally unrealistic, but i have found that it has given me a bit of confidence and preparation for interviews, where we will be expected to do presentations at some point. Don't get me wrong, I hate doing them as much as the next person, but I have tried to wear rose coloured spectacles and put a positive spin on things.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 23:00:08 (BST)
hi everyone i am a first year student and i am having to do a presentation in front of my peer group of 40. can anyone enlighten me as to why we should have to be put through this, as when we qualify and have to do presentations it is not in front of this amount. it is just another stress we could do without.
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 22:40:59 (BST)
Do you have a story for Arse Magazine?
Hi I'm Lydia Coke-fiend from Arse Magazine, do you enjoy being exploited by tabloids. Have you absolutely no shame want so ever and do you dress in a carry-on style nurses uniform. Basically do you shag alot? Especially sexy-threesomes? Have you got big tits? Come on you know you do! After all your nurses! Please if you want to perpetuate the same tired old cliches about your profession contact me at Arse Magazine e-mail me at IAM@COMPLETEWANKER.Arse.uk Thanks!
Lydia Coke-fiend
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 14:24:58 (BST)
Do you have a story for M magazine?
Hi, My name's Lianne and I'm contributing editor on M magazine (with the Saturday Mirror) and I'm looking for women to help on features. I'm after people for a feature based on life changing one night stands. Have you had a one night stand, that lead to disaster, romance, a pregancy, a homosexual experience, and would be willing to talk about it in return for a fee? I need to hear from you asap, all stories will be treated with confidence and can be anonymous if you wish. Even if it's not you perhaps you can pass on a story and put me in touch with your friend. Please email me, on lianneludlow@yahoo.com or call on 0207 261 5664.
Lianne <lianneludlow@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 13:28:50 (BST)
ANGE
Hello Ange, the May intake is a new thing. it's really pointless I'm sure. I think the Uni of Sheff are considering a third intake, which will bollocks up the placements as I am sure you will appreciate. To the person who I misunderstood/misunderstood me, I am so sorry! I was having a tres bad day but it's ok now because i've JUST SAT MY FINAL EXAM!!!!!
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 23:24:29 (BST)
ROPER LOGAN AND TIERNEY
Not that I know much but I do know the Roper Logan and Tierney process as the hospital where I study use it impeccably (I wish!!) but they are supposed to so if you need a hand let me know....
dawn <lolnursey@yahoo.co.>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 23:00:09 (BST)
GOD ONLY KNOWS!!!!!!!!!!!
Roper, Logan and Tierney - I really don't know!!!!!!!
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 22:17:46 (BST)
nursing process/roper logan. Have been studying it in college. On the wards the nurses use it but assessments are just rushed and inadequate. Why are they teaching us this in depth when in reality it just doesn't work like that?
ben
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 21:48:38 (BST)
thank's Dawn!
Thank 4 information I will pass it on 2 my friend I think that diploma students can apply 4 part of a student loan? Not sure though! There was a number of mistakes in my message I know!It was late! Sinead
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 19:44:47 (BST)
Dawn
Hi, I am with Chester College too, but at the Leighton site. I was interviewed in Feb 2000, was told on the day that I could start either June or September 2000, I started in June. From what I hear though things are different this year, applicants are queuing up to start now.
Anita
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 18:17:36 (BST)
RE: I HATE ESSAYS
You have my deepest sympathy Anne-Marie! I could have wriiten your letter. I do exactly the same - although i tend to be sat here the day before submission. Good Luck Anyway!& You CAN do it
Simon
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 18:05:26 (BST)
admissions
I don't know if the north west is not receiving as many admissions as other parts of the country but I applied to NMAS in June 2000, got an interview in September 2000 and started in February 2001. I applied to Chester College in Chester and whether a lot of folk don't realise you can apply there I'm not sure....
dawn
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:36:03 (BST)
Admissions ...
I know this is not much help to those applying for places on courses but from looking at the messages posted on here, it seems that there is a lot of difference in admission times depending on where you live. I'm at Trinity College in Carmarthen under Swansea University doing my diploma and am just starting my 2nd year now. I applied for a place in July 1998, had my interview in December 1998 and started September 99. However, I've now been told that there is a huge waiting list for adult branch places right up until 2003 ... So good luck. It might be hard going but it's worth the wait!!
Heath
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:20:52 (BST)
Sorry if I sounded grumpy then but I am trying to get my head around one of those sociological/psychological essays that they get you to do, because lets face it when someone is admitted onto the ward you're meant to analyse how they've lived and how they were brought up aren't you? I know it's meant to help you assess patients holistically but all the same what the hell has Weber got to do with real life??? Answers on a postcard for essay tips please, pretty please!!!!!
Dawn <lolnursey@yahoo.co>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:13:16 (BST)
any advice?
I am about to start an access course to nursing. I will start nursing next september but have no idea which route to take. Should I do a degree or diploma? Any advice would be appreciated.
Joanne <a.joanne@lineone.net>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:07:07 (BST)
to english student in West Mid
I think you'll find that most of us only get 3 uniforms, some of our group had to buy their own because none from the college were available. There is a big difference between pay for diploma and degree students namely, degree students can apply for income support/WFTC when on holiday, diploma students can't, Degree students can apply each year for 3 years for a student loan, Diploma student's can't, Degree students can also apply for a DFI loan, Diploma student's can't,Degree student's can also apply for travelling passes that Diploma students can't and other benefits only applicable to full time degree students. Diploma student's work for a longer period of time on the ward and I think you will find that the extra work a Degree student has to do at the end, an essay of approx 10,000-20,000 words is a little more than the normal 3,000-5,000 that us diploma students do. If you disect the money differences between Degree and Diploma you will see a difference it's up to your friend on the Degree course to enquire hard, about what is available to him/her with regards to money.
dawn
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:06:15 (BST)
so i have given up with the computer i am off to the library - honest!
anne-marie
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 14:51:19 (BST)
I HATE ESSAYS
I am now in trimester 8, and am supposed to be doing my final assignments and yet again i have left it to the last two weeks. i am sitting at this computer with piles of books and articles thing the usual "i can't do it" and comletely avoiding the word part of the computer - now shall i surf the net or take a deep breath and get on with, oopps no i mean start my assignments?
anne-marie
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 14:32:29 (BST)
Andrea-fitness for training
I've been in contact with many people regarding your ability to start your training. Most feel that even with the lack of background info you should be able to start your training. One runs a motherhood and mental health servive and feels strongly that Occupational health are over-reacting, as in her words they know "diddly-squat about PND". If they are still not letting your begin the course, because your still on anti-depressants you should point out the fact that people have to come off anti-depressants slowly and are usually prescribed them even after symptoms have disappered to prevent relapse. Maybe an independant psychiatric assessement is needed. I bet my right arm that they did'nt do any assessments on you, right? So whats their rationale?
HOBBES
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 10:29:38 (BST)
Hi, I'm a 1st year female student at Uni of the West Of England (Where we only get 3 uniforms! I was told by a friend who is trained that she got 10 when she started! What ever happened 2 infection control!) I have read some of the messages! The HCA and Student debate was one which we have discussed at uni a number of times! As while placement some of us did feel like 'the extra pair of hands'. My Mentor on ward I worked on was very good. She had been trained 3 years, and understood what it was like 2 b a student! Other students in the same Hospital (which by the way was 30 miles away, try driving 60 miles a day 4, 14 weeks along with 8 hour shifts!) however were not as luckly as I was! The Sister was rude and hurtful, causing the student to leave the ward! this is not on! Can anyone explain why there is a large difference in the bursry pay between degree & diplom! Why not both b non-means tested? The only difference on my course to a degree course is that I do not do a dissotation at the end! everything else is the same! A friend of mine is on the degree course and is finding it hard 2 live on the small amount she gets! It is not even ever month! I can also change up 2 degree level in year 2! if results ok! so why the difference! She is in all of the same lessons as I am! Sorry 4 any spelling mistakes it is late!
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 00:24:14 (BST)
Matt - you sound as thought I offended you in some way - I'm sorry if you took it that way , in no way was I having a dig at you personally, just the system. I was merely expressing my frustration at trying to secure a place on a diploma course, something you would presume to be quite easy seeing as the government constantly harps on about the lack of staff. I recently applied to Swansea University and was told that I may not get an interview until 2003 - a long time to wait when you are already a mature person - every year that passes is a year wasted.
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 17:36:46 (BST)
Query for matt!
Matt, I did part of my training at Sheffiled Uni and when I was there, they had two intakes - March and September. Has this now changed to a May intake and if so, has the September intake changed to November?
ange
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 17:29:23 (BST)
'tis true
I know a girl who has been accepted and she thought she was starting in October, her letter even said so, she has now found out that that intake is full and she will start in Feb!!
Anita
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 16:57:10 (BST)
also, i didn't mention any other universities.
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 13:51:12 (BST)
fully booked
Sheffield Uni are fully booked UNTIL may 2003 on the adult branch, meaning there are still places in may 2003. would you like anything else explaining???
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 13:50:11 (BST)
Matt - If Sheffield Uni and others are 'fully booked' until May 2003 why are the NMAS still accepting applications for them? Surely, in terms of paperwork at least, it would make more sense to suspend applications for their courses. And how can these universities be fully booked up when the application process only begins for the 2002/3 intakes on the 1st Sept 2001. ?????
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 12:38:05 (BST)
filling classrooms
I don't think there'll be a problem as far as finding students to fill the classes is concerned. I know that at Sheffield Uni nursing places are booked up until may 2003.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 09:58:01 (BST)
Changes to Bursary
Can anyone predict what will be the outcome of the bursary changes affecting non-EU prospective pupils - is this going to mean a shortage of students to fill diploma places? Are the universities going to find it difficult to fill their classrooms because of this new rule? Or will it not make much difference?
- Saturday, September 01, 2001 at 13:06:10 (BST)
Is Nursing a profession? Can you help? Assigment Advice etc
jackiegear <jackie@lyme-green.co.uk>
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 21:46:21 (BST)
success at last!
Rang the Childrens ward for the 6th time and it seems that the sister who places the students has been on holiday so no-one knew I was coming - so I chose my own 2 days and early shifts!! ARSE!!!!
Anita
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 17:46:51 (BST)
Forgive me for being cranky, it has been a long month. But, Sharon, please learn to spell or type before you write that CV!
Amanda
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 02:56:29 (BST)
re: pay rise and cv
well i did not get a pay rise! pissed off! and as for cv look in the back of the nursing times and you can get guidnace any tips i sat branch on monday and my physioogy is not up to scrtach still dont know nervious system
sharon <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 00:45:28 (BST)
CV
Does anyone know of any good sites about writing CV's. Hobbes, have you any tips?? Much appreciated
claire
- Saturday, September 29, 2001 at 23:03:26 (BST)
Still don't exist
Well I have rang the paediatric ward 5 times now and still don't know when I am meant to be working this week!! They have promised to ring me back twice and nobody has, it is too late to ring allocations now too!! Well, I am not going to continue to chase them.
Anita
- Saturday, September 29, 2001 at 16:38:33 (BST)
don't say that. I am putting that extra money away every month so that at the end of the course a few of us will take a holiday to celebrate our graduation
kate
- Friday, September 28, 2001 at 22:07:33 (BST)
I'm broke!
Does anyone here get paid their bursary at the end of the month? If so, have you received this 10.4%pay rise we were meant to be getting in September, as I certaintly haven't! There goes my night out on the town tonight!
ange
- Friday, September 28, 2001 at 08:57:40 (BST)
Yes I am on my 2 days paediatric placement next week and I have rang the ward twice now, to no avail!! I don't exist
Anita
- Thursday, September 27, 2001 at 21:18:26 (BST)
It's worse when you know where you are going, but they can't tell you which shift you are working. I was told to show up for days on my first day and work with whatever I was assigned. So much being able to arrange childcare for a 12 hour overnight shift.
Amanda
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 22:51:04 (BST)
Heath
I know that feeling!! I know where my community placement is, I have known for 3 weeks as my friend has just been on there and they told her - college hasn't told me yet!!!!
Anita
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 21:40:24 (BST)
Handovers
Hi Sarah,
Try this link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=9485849
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 19:39:57 (BST)
Barmy organisation
Lorna, I know how you feel. I just found out from my very pregnant friend where and when my maternity placement is before the college have told me, 'it hasn't been confirmed' is their line!!!! Give me strength!!
Heath
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 18:56:21 (BST)
Hellllpp!
Ok people, I need your help! If anyone knows of any references or articles - on or offline about handovers please let me know ASAP Thanks commrades :)
Sarah <rhemauk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 18:36:11 (BST)
all uni are just as bad with essays anita. Mine tryed to have me disqulified from the course last year because THEY lost my resubmition of an essay so put it down as a non submition. but i was lucker than you as i'm doing childrens nursing and have a great pursonal tutor who gave me the number for our uni appeals people. They fought the decision for me and won. never mine only another year to go. On an other topic i go back out on practice on monday and am only going to find out where tomorrow great orgaisation isent it.
lorna
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 17:04:43 (BST)
thanx hoobes
hey mate thanx for that piece of advice cos i was like very lost and i will definitely be gojing to see him as well as go to unison for some help cheers later
junior <jiggawha23@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 14:49:06 (BST)
Hey hobbes you are one popular guy!!! You make me laugh too!!
Anita
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 21:45:16 (BST)
Tichanoa, Anita + Glen
Dear Tichanoa - sorry don't know enough about the subject, although I do know of students reapplying several times even when they've done part of the course. I think if you can site personal problems, they may take this into consideration. I'd go and see your former student rep. Anita-I'm so glad its worked out ok, only 18 months to go! Blimey Tutors you can trust what ever next? Glen-Unions are just like any other business, they tout for income, i.e. new members, beware about payments. I guess they are hoping that in your compacity as course rep you'll be able to offer them access to potential UNISON members. As nurses we are under strict guidelines not to take money/gifts from firms in our capacity as nurses. I'd be very wary about this, check what these "things" are and check your UKCC code of conduct. Even though your still a student your still on part of the register, and if you start taking money you could be thrown off, I've never heard of this before, but I'll ask around give me a week or so. This man sounds very shady-Beware!
Hobbes nee Hoobes I'm Iver not Roma
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 15:52:12 (BST)
hoobes
hey hoobes is there any hope in me restarting in fbruary and if so have you got any universities i can reapply to because i cannot be able to pay any fees next year at all after all im just a student with huge dapts
tichaona junior <jiggawha232hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 14:24:08 (BST)
appealing still
not really i my case is still at the appeals board and i didnt get my bursary for this month -i got a letter from nhs grants saying ammendments to grant saying i owe them £29.00 wat do i do because i want to appeal through unison ?i have no money and will have to work agncy to survive -the uni did not offer any kind of support whatsoever and im not metioning the college unless u want me to.it is really depressing i cant function as i always used to -
tichaona junior <jiggawha23@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 14:19:09 (BST)
Hobbes
Yes you are quite right of course, I decided 'carefully does it', so I collared the head of our school, who has recently been promoted and whom I do get on with. Anyway it seems he was expecting me to contact him as it had been him that had been the 'external verifier'. I told him that I was not there to slag off anyone and that I just wanted an explanation - he was brilliant, he told me he had looked at the essays and said that they were definately a clear pass and that he had had a word with my tutor. He told me I was in the school because I deserved to be, and that I was a good student. He also said that he had seen some crap essays in the past and yes, he had to kick people off the course, but mine was good and met the criteria. He really boosted my confidence. I feel that I handled it really well, didn't go in with guns blazing. I explained that I wanted our conversation to be in confidence and he agreed. Anyway my tutor will not be marking any more essays of ours now but if I want to change tutors I can go and see this guy and he will arrange it. A good result all round I'd say!! Incidentally, the tutor in question came to have a chat with us at break, full of concern and being really nice!! huh
Anita
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 19:22:55 (BST)
i am just about to start an essay on a patient problem with eating but have to back it up with theory. I am having difficulty sorting out the difference between a conceptual framework and a theory. Any body give me any help?
helen
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 19:08:27 (BST)
Unison - too much for nurses?
Hi , i have recently been directed to this site and can't believe i have missed it all this time. It's great and it seems that everybody on the whole seems to behave themselves on it too. I am a second year and a course rep and also generally help out dishing out info and the like to my fellow students, my students' union also sent me on some cool courses during the summer to help me represent better. I met some fantastic people and met a really nice lady called Hannah from Unison at some of the events. Anyway I was asked to speak to the students this year and asked the people who were there from Unison about this lady and said i had met her and i was told she had been sacked because all she was interested in was nursing students. eh? I asked the gentlemen there if he was a nurse and he wasn't, he wasn't even a hospital worker. He said that was irrelevant and that he could still represent me regardless. Now i haven't joined any of the unions yet, but i intend to when i finish and i want to become active and this has left me rather confused. Can someone please explain to me the difference between the two unions and why are they sacking people for being interested in nursing. By the way i am at home at the moment but i study in Teeside but am originally from nottingham. Glad to have found you all at long last Love Glen xxxxx PS is it usual for unions to offer money to students? The man from unison told me that they could pay if i could get them exclusive access to "things". Is this normal practice?
Glen Baker <gbaker34@hotmail.com>
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 16:58:04 (BST)
Tichanoa
Have they said you can't restart?
Hoobes
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 13:35:59 (BST)
restarting again
i have recently been withdrawn from my uni mand it is depressing believe me cos i was 2 years gone and due to personal problems i had to go.wat should i do now ?im 10 000 miles away from home and i really want to start again got suggestions email me thanx
tichaona junior <jiggawha23@hotmail.com>
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 12:59:48 (BST)
soon to be student!!
Is there anyone who is studying at Barts? i've been accepted and would be grateful to anyone who has any info about what's in store! How is everyone managing on the bursary as well as the expence in London? Cheers, Anne
Anne <angharad81@hotmail.com>
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 12:47:28 (BST)
Anita
Its a tough choice, initially I thought just keep your head down, as your marks are fairly meaningless at the end of the day, as is 99% of all the college work you do. Remember they'll never ask you in job interviews what grades you got at college as nobody in the real world of nursing is interested. Still you've got 18 months to go. You've got to ask yourself: 1) How many more assignments is this guy likely to mark? 2) What marks do other lecturers give, do they tally with this blokes? If he's not marking your essays anymore, fine leave it, and maybe when you've finished the course and got your registration you should inform the head of nursing about this guys behaviour. If your scraping by with assignments that are marked by other lectueres you need to identify your weaknesses and work on them, not to put the wind up you but if you fail 3 bits of work they'll throw you off the course. If this guy is going to carry on marking your work, then you've got a problem. Is it something personal, has he got something against you? Have you pissed him off? Or is he like it with everyone. If you feel you have a legitimate grievance against this guy then your in for a rough ride. Basically expect zero support from other lectueres. They will not take kindly to a student having a go at a collegue. I'd start with getting hold of your student and nursing reps first ask them for advice. Maybe a ward manager would also be a good start. Your probably got a tutor in mind that you think is approachable, just beware thats all I can say. They are a Clannish lot tutors. As I've said before the course is about surival not grades. It may not feel good when your getting crappy grades, but to put it bluntly in this world you have to eat shit alot of the time and be seen to be enjoying it. In my experiance, both in and out of nursing its tough going against the establishment unless you have a cast-iron case. I'll keep an eye on the forum if you want to reply. Good luck!
Hobbes
- Monday, September 24, 2001 at 10:22:56 (BST)
the RCN
On a completly differant if some what minor note, has anyone ever tried to speak to someone at the RCN on the phone, actually speak to someone? i was 12 minutes trying to get through the other day before slamming the phone down in anger, i have since tried on 3 other occasions. The RCN website is no help neither. SOrt it out our great union.
Nat Mills <natwm@btopenworld.co.uk>
- Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 22:14:20 (BST)
Thanks
Thanks to you all, I am glad it is not just our college who have ridiculous ways!! By the way I will be branching at Xmas, so only 18 months of stress left. I am very anxious now, my tutor never encourages me and he even wrote that in the 13 months I had been doing the course he had seen no improvement!! Despite the fact that I know I will make a bloody good nurse and I get glowing reports from placement!
Anita
- Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 13:47:23 (BST)
has anyone else had the experience of enquiry based learning is it really taking over the way nurses are taught. does anyone else feel it is just a money saving pile of jiz. i have put up for it for 2 years now and apparently loads of other universitys are starting to use it. god help the nursing profession.
danner <dannyyyyyyyyyy@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 03:49:50 (BST)
anita
We've got one teacher who when asked if could go over an essay replied to the student not to bother until she's at least 18months into the course. My tutor advised me when writing an essay choosing one of the Activities of Living not to choose mobility 'cos she was bored of looking at that type of essay. Never mind the fact that the placement involved was an orthopaedic ward!!!!!! Some tutors on our course have been known to mark vastly different to eachother so much that now our essay's are to be group marked, which means that a group of 5-10 teachers get together and go over the essays together and give appropriate marks. Hopefully this should work out to be fairer (she says!!!) by the way where are you studying Anita and how far into the course are you????????
dawn
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 19:21:24 (BST)
makes me sick that the ability to continue in the nursing profession hangs on writing an essay. I mean what a waste of time essays are. No one enjoys writing them, they cause worry and stress. Don't know about you but our essays have to be precise with referencing and stuff. We have a whole handbook on it. If we put fullstops and brackets in the wrong place then we lose marks. Most of the essays are not relevent to the actual placements we are on. Anita just hang on in there, this nightmare will soon be behind you
claire
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 11:26:10 (BST)
anita
how long have you got to go til you finish the course?
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 11:20:20 (BST)
ps
I have heard that they are changing the fact that we should go to our personal tutors over essays and that we are all now able to go to the module leader. Whether this will work in practice is another matter. I feel as though I am on a sinking ship with my colleagues and we are all hanging onto a life raft!!!
Anita
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 10:15:35 (BST)
Claire
I'm not sure but I think that because it was a re-submission is why he marked it. Yes the module leader is marking the next one but I'm not sure whether my tutor will mark my record of development, I think they do, to see how we are getting on. I am very concerned about this and don't know what to do about it. If I failed this course it would be a disaster for me.
Anita
- Saturday, September 22, 2001 at 10:13:42 (BST)
Do your personal tutors always have a say over your essays? our personal tutor's have no say over our essay's. It is marked by the module organisers. My tutor wouldn't have a clue about some of the modules.
claire
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 21:15:58 (BST)
anita, this is terrible. Is there a head of nursing you can speak to? It seems a terrible injustice that people can be thrown off of the course because of the incompetency's of the tutors. I think everyone can sympathise with you with crappy tutor's. I have seen mine just twice in the whole course
claire
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 21:13:19 (BST)
pps
Other students have told me that there has been trouble of this kind with this tutor before, one male student nearly hit him apparantly!!
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 18:52:19 (BST)
ps
I do not find him approachable and choose to see someone else usually. I feel intimidated by him and he has a reputation of only bothering with females that he actually fancies! He is a leche!
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 18:50:17 (BST)
Concerned
I am pretty angry at the moment. I managed to pass my exam at the 2nd attempt along with 2 little 500 word essays. When I went to collect my work, which I had been pretty proud of, I was told that my personal tutor had failed it initially and then it was sent to the external verifier who passed it. When I looked into the folder I found a sheet of paper that I don't think I was supposed to see. It was just a scribble note written by the external verifier, he or she had said the exact opposite to what my tutor had said about my work and even recommended that I receive 'at least 45 - 49% if not 50 - 59%' or a C, if graded!!! Now correct me if I am wrong, does this not seem a bit worrying??? How many other students have been kicked off the course by tutors who can't even agree on marking? My tutor is pretty unpopular at the moment, he is getting ready to retire and makes no secret of the fact that he hates modern nurse training. I am at a loss of who to go to, or do I keep my head down and risk failing?
Anita
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 18:48:04 (BST)
all over
with one hour and five minutes to the deadline i have just completed my final assignments - quite frankly i am surprised i managed to do it without an extension! i will never have to do another assignment again, well, hopefully if i pass, but not if i decide to do my degree - ah well now i shall rest...thanks to this site for keeping me sane
anne-marie
- Friday, September 21, 2001 at 15:03:08 (BST)
Anita
Thanks for listening to me. Sometimes you just don't want to moan to your pals or anyone that knows you and it's good to know that somebody is out there to whinge to!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dawn
- Thursday, September 20, 2001 at 23:18:16 (BST)
important
just to let you all know we will be having sandra trunel on the 26th september here who is the head of nursing association at alexandras she will be answering numerous questions so please try and make it as this will be a rare visit thanks
staff@student nursing <nicole21uk2001@yahoo.co.uk>
- Thursday, September 20, 2001 at 18:19:37 (BST)
yes, i;ve just spoken to some people who have just qualified and they have to wait 2 months possibly longer for their pin no's. I'm gonna have a long holiday when i finish! Live on the credit card for a bit and worry about it later!!
kate
- Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 19:54:05 (BST)
Light at the end of the tunnel
Just to let you all know that however long left to go you have it'll fly in. Ive just finished this month and cant quite beleive that 3 years went by so quick. Word of advice save some money because theres a six week gap between last bursery and first pay check. I havent a penny all the best XX
Russell <nurserusty@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 10:49:59 (BST)
Dawn
I am glad you feel better, you seem to have sorted out the nasty staff anyway - I am about to finish my Urology placement and I have thoroughly enjoyed it, I can see myself applying for a job there in 18 months. It makes such a difference when the staff are lovely doesn't it though? I also feel that the first 2 or 3 weeks of a placement are horrific, I really get stressed, then once you settle in it is time to leave!!
Anita
- Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 10:26:01 (BST)
placements
I'd just like to thank those who gave me a bit of support on my placement. I've eventually met my mentor who is actually fab and has brought in tons of info for me to read. I decided after the first 3 days to be a bit more confident and basically thought f**k it, if they won't teach me i'll mither them to death, and it's worked. Getting info of some is like getting blood out of a stone but its working and I'm learning a lot and the ones who are nasty I just smile and pretend I don't notice. It's really done my confidence a treat.....Unfortunately I'll only get to see my assessor on 3-4 shifts unless I do nights, so I am(why oh why!!!!!!he-he) but I don't mind 'cos I haven't got little ankle biters....Besides which the USA tragedy has sort of put things into perspective..... thanks a lot folks....dawn
Dawn
- Tuesday, September 18, 2001 at 23:50:17 (BST)
kate
i am so glad it is not just me, everyone looks shocked when i tell them i am no longer a teenager - the cashier in a supermarket actually asked me for id when i was buying some wine a few months ago - i couldn't stop laughing - in the end she said she did need to see my driving license!
anne-marie
- Tuesday, September 18, 2001 at 10:04:54 (BST)
ann marie
i had to laugh at your last post Ann marie. I too look about 19 and am nearly 29. Although it is quite flattering, i find it a barrier sometimes. I often get comments like 'have you just left school?' and people think i am new to nursing. I try and get the crack in of my age as soon as possible. Another favourite of old dears is 'have you got a boyfriend?' when I have been married for 12 years!!!!!
Kate
- Monday, September 17, 2001 at 20:00:44 (BST)
shifts
i suppose i have been really lucky, but in some cases not so lucky, on my proactice placements i always explain why i find it difficult to do shifts and everyone has been really helpful allowing me to do 9-5's, but i have lost out on handover etc. most placements i have been on were usually very accommodating when i explainedi had a four year old daughter(unfortunately i look quite young and i have had people ask me if it was a teenage pregnancy as i only look 19 - when i just turned thirty!!) (or maybe thats fortunate who knows):-)
anne-marie
- Monday, September 17, 2001 at 11:55:38 (BST)
Maria
Usually, a typical shift pattern is about 7/7.30 - 3/3.30 for an early and 1-9 or 1.30 - 9.30 for a late. Some placements allow you to work double shifts and so work a 3 day week. Many are pretty flexible, especially if you have kids and are still supernumary. My placement allows me to do 37 1/2 hours over a 4 day week so its not bad at all - just ask your placement supervisor! Good luck with your training!
ange
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 22:30:33 (BST)
the student madhouse
Thankyou for your messages I'm sure I will be ripping my hair out soon enough!!! Could you give me an idea of the times you work on placements? I realise that different colleges have different schedules but would appreciate a rough idea. Cheers
Maria <madhazys>
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 18:36:18 (BST)
Maria
Donna's right!! I often feel like packing it all in, especially when I am pre-menstrual - my doctor tried to put me on Prozac for my PMT recently, I refused and took progesterone instead! I go through phases of wondering what the hell I am doing at 36, but then I go into work and comfort a patient who has just been told that they are terminally ill and it makes it all worthwhile, especially when that patient asks about me when I am not there and when I am, wants a hug and a kiss!!
Anita
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 11:47:14 (BST)
what on earth is that last message about????
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 11:43:31 (BST)
Wowser man
man nurses... like wow. man i wood dae them all in a back seat o a car just with their gloves oan... but not nurse neil... he ghae
Ranko
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 10:19:29 (BST)
Support nurses in NYC and Washington
Just a quick note to let you know that you can leave messages for health workers in the affected areas of the US disaster by visiting: http://snurse-l.org/ The message board will remain open for the next 48 hours, then all messages will be forwarded to health professionals in those cities as a show of support from their international colleagues. Cheers, Rich Churcher, RN.
Rich Churcher <churcher@ihug.com.au>
- Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 06:47:27 (BST)
Training in the Madhouse
Hi Maria, welcome to the mad, mad world of student nursing! I'm just entering my second year. Anita has a good insight, ie sometimes you just have to put your kids first. I've also got two kids with a 6-year age-gap, 10 and 4, and have found it hard to study at times. Keep focused on the end product - a professional qualificaiton that will always be needed. We all get times (usually, fleeting moments), and I'm sure Anita will back me up on this, when we feel like chucking it all in. Just focus on why you started and think of the things that you'll be able to do at the end of the three years. My first year has gone so quickly, I feel that I've barely blinked. Organisation is the main key (not that I'm very good at it myself). You'll make good friends and learn loads. ENJOY! There is always this message board to turn to when things don't go as planned, and most of us are pretty damned nice!
Donna
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 23:40:47 (BST)
Maria - welcome to the mad house
Well, Maria, I have just entered my 2nd year and yes it is difficult, I have a 6 yr old very demanding daughter and am on my own, I also work part time too. I find it worse when I am trying to study or when I am doing shifts, getting a miserable 6 yr old up at 6 when I only collected from my mother at 10 the previous night after a 'late'is not easy and it all adds to the stress. I have to work to be able to get WFTC, this is becoming even more difficult, I even took a night off tonight as my daughter is not happy that she has seen little of me this week due to doing 3 lates. Still, I am on a high as I passed my exam yesterday and know that things will only get better!!! (I hope)
Anita
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 21:52:18 (BST)
1st year student
I am starting my course soon and must admit I am feeling very nervous and I am wondering if I will beable to cope with the workload. I have been to college for the last 3 years and have now achieved a kitemarked certificate so that I could apply for nursing. Now that it's here I am feeling a little apprehensive. I am a mum of two, aged 11 and 5 and I wonder if there is anybody out there who can give me some advice about the course and anyone in a similar situation as myself.
Maria <madhazys>
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 19:46:21 (BST)
1st year student
I am starting my course soon and must admit I am feeling very nervous and I am wondering if I will beable to cope with the workload. I have been to college for the last 3 years and have now achieved a kitemarked certificate so that I could apply for nursing. Now that it's here I am feeling a little apprehensive. I am a mum of two, aged 11 and 5 and I wonder if there is anybody out there who can give me some advice about the course and anyone in a similar situation as myself.
Maria <madhazys>
- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 18:51:58 (BST)
Poor Matt wishes he was hot with the ladies!!!! He never plucked up the courage!!
Anita
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 17:09:01 (BST)
WFTC
Yes, Ann Marie you are right, it is the only way to survive - I also have to work and so get WFTC, my daughter hates me being on lates and all that at the moment as she says she never sees me, True, but what do we do otherwise?
Anita
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 17:07:54 (BST)
money
i work as a home help i do between 18 and 25 hours aweek - (mortgage nursery fees etc), but no one told me i was eligible for working families tax credit because i had a part-time job. so it you do have dependents and you are working a minimum of 15 hours a week you can apply for this benefit (i don't even think your child has to be in nursery) good luck
anne-marie
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 12:18:01 (BST)
BLINNY
if you are refering to me, I do not think I am hot with the ladies. re read my messages carefully.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 12:04:25 (BST)
Sylv-working on the bank
I did the diploma and worked the bank. Its not easy but it can be done. Firstly the money you get on the bank is'nt taxed which is handy. I used to make a basic of just under five quid and hour without enhancements. I used to do between 1 and two shifts extra a week, usually at weekends when the money was better. If I had a placement at the hospital, then I'd sometimes do long days. For about a five weeks I was doing about 80+ hours a week. I know you can't do this much if you have kids. How does it fit in with course work? This depends if your finding the course work difficult or not. I'd suggest that you get on the mental health bank. Its less taxing physically if your doing nights you have time to catch up on studies. Mental health nurses are much more laid back, so you won't have somebody with a whip standing over you all the time. Sometimes at placements in hospital, the manager would "forget" I was a student that day and I'd get paid for a shift as both student and HCA to make up the numbers.Many people will think this is wrong I saw it as survival. The thing is to realise is college has no idea whats going on when your on placements. You have limited study days on placement right? Negotiate with your managers. Tell them you need a day off to research some of the interventions they use on the wards. Students amaze me when I ask them if they have study time and the reply no. Blagg some study time for christsake! Tell them that your doing extra shifts for them but you need the odd extra study day, to see you through the course. This blagging and negotiating only works when you get to know the wards and staff well. Lectures, skive the odd one now and again and do a bank shift instead. You don't learn anything of value in class anyway. Just don't do too much off this. In college you have study days, work the bank, nobody studies on study days. The more extra work you do on the wards the better the nurse you will be. Just be very shifty where college is concerned. You could be making an extra £200-£300 a month on top of your bursary.
Hobbes
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 11:45:22 (BST)
I need money too ;)
When I started this course, I already had just under £10,000 in government owned debt due to my first degree... my own fault huh :D I've got through this course through eating economy foods, working agency and trying to avoid all luxuries (difficult when you smoke and drink!). Don't ask us how we get through it, when you look at the logistics of it, its entirely impossible, yet many of us manage it without resorting to the most desparate measures! Ah well, only one more year to go for me - not to sure about this "Senior student" role ;) PS forget about trying to start a love-life either if you don't have one, noone seems to be able to meet my strange hours! Ah, its a lonely world....
Claire <ClaireMacL@aol.com>
- Friday, September 14, 2001 at 02:58:12 (BST)
I NEED MONEY
Can diploma students on a non-means tested bursery get any other financial help? - Apart from a reduction on my council tax I can't seem to get any more financial help from anywhere. It seems the £100 a week bursary I will receive has to cover everything, whereas degree students appear to get help with travel costs, course materials, child care fees etc. How does banking as a HCA fit in with the course and will I have time to work and get assignments etc done in time? HELP
sylv <sylv91uk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 21:51:03 (BST)
HIYA ALL!!
WELL HELLO THERE! I HAVE READ A GOOD CHUNK OF EVERYBODYS E-MAILS, AND THERE ARE SOME RALLY FUNNY ONES.I MEAN,WHOS THE GUY THAT THINKS HES SO HOT WIV DA LADIES? ANYHOW I START MY TRAINING ON 17/9/01 AND IF ANY ONE ELSEDOES TOO, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR STUFF. BYE-BYE 4 NOW.....................
BLINNY <BELINDA@MEMBURY.FSNET.CO.UK>
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 21:21:24 (BST)
LOOKING FOR A JOB
I am 30 Years old. I am married and have a son aged one. I am presently working as radiographer at the SSRN Hospital in Mauritius. I have been in this service for the last 8 years. I am also part-time radio-TV technician (pocess the City & Guilds Certificate). I would have liked to have a job in UK. Can you please suggest a suitable post for me?
DHOORVANAND GOKOOL <premasen2001@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 19:17:41 (BST)
goody gum drops
i have just finished that 2000 word easy on research utilisation. i have written a presentation on record keeping and criminal liability - now i only have 3 more to do (one 10 min presentation for monday adn 5000 words for friday) yes well i suppose i better get back to work. take care nurse buddies.
anne-marie
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 16:05:05 (BST)
Dawn
I also sympathise with you. I have had many a placement where the staff have no time to teach or simply leave you to your own devices and only talk to you when they want a menial task doing (often not related to your role at all. On my last orthopaedic ward I was treated as an auxillary for 8 weeks and didnt learn a thing at all. I NEVER worked with my mentor so I cant understand how she had the right to grade me - she didnt even know how to do the paperwork, asked me what grade i thought i deserved and then gave me that grade!!! But, hang on in there - I personally feel that as you get further into your training you are granted with more respect. I have five months left now and i can honestly say that it has been worth it. Just get your head down, meet your objectives (where possible) and thank your lucky stars that you never have to work on that ward again!!!
ange
- Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 15:29:54 (BST)
i can sympathise with you dawn. Some wards just don't want to teach, either because they find students a pain, or they are just too busy. It is really terrible when you are left feeling like this, especially when you know you have several weeks there ahead of you. I have to start on an orthopedic ward next week which i know is crap, but the only way i will get through it is to think thank god I don't work there permantly. I will just get my head down and serve my time!!!!
claire
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 21:57:39 (BST)
assignment
hiya all, i was wondering if anyone can help me to find info regarding hydration and also tissue viability. It is for my physiology work book and i am desperate for some up to date research regarding these topic areas and any references will be of a great big advantage. Anything will be a big help Thanx
jonsey
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 19:42:10 (BST)
What a sad day this is. I imagine we are all very distressed watching the news and the horrific sights in the US. I can't believe how distraught I feel and have just been on chat rooms in the US to express my condolences, there are some very angry people on there, rightly so too.
Anita
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 12:25:50 (BST)
Dawn, As a third year student with only a small amount of time left before qualification I can only sympathize with your situation. The lack off support shown in many situations seems to be the reason why so many students leg it to different professions(and who blames). I have found that as a student i have been moved from one ward to another and even been given 11 medical patients to lookafter when supposedly on a orthopeadic ward. the only thing to do is stick up for yourself and get em to shove their anamosity up there arses..you choose the job, don't accept crap conditions.
chess
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 11:52:01 (BST)
I'm my 2nd placement on a surgical ward and i'm really unhappy. Its only been a couple of days and I've been shunted from one team to the next. My assessor only works 2 days a week and is only holiday until next week which means out of 30 days work, I'm with her for 6 days (pathetic). The ward is interesting but the staff are too busy to deal with the obviously stupid questions I must be asking (by the looks on their faces)and I never felt such anymosity(sorry if spelt wrong) from male nurses as I have done today. I am counting the days down until I finish and I am normally the one to encourage the others to stick with it and now I know how they feel. As if the course wasn't hard enough the trained staff simply forget whats its like and expect after 7 months you should know everything......
Dawn
- Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 10:30:52 (BST)
forgot to mention u both
soz i forgot to mention your names, thanx to matt and anita for taking time out to boost my spirits, someone out there really does care!! Good god i really am feeling sorry for myself arnt i !! lol lol lol
linzi
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 20:50:10 (BST)
CHEERS !!!!!
Ta to those who cheered me up no end. Im feeling far better now and am on top of my work agan for the time being anyway. As for presentations ive just done one in front of a class of 65 people. It was quite nerve racking but i felt far better when i had the room in up roar because i started off with some rather rude and funny cartoons which i had traced out of a book, they were all to busy laughing to take in what i was saying and my nerves vanished almost immediately. It worked for me so why not give it a try??????????????
Linzi
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 20:43:47 (BST)
Qualification
Anita-depends where you work. I work for a trust that is badly run and so there's no beds and no resources, so alot of the time it can be really, really bad. If you have the misfortune to work for a crap trust, then your best bet is to get on as many courses as you can. Your probably thinking this is the last thing you want to do after 3 years of study, but its more rewarding as courses are all clinical in foucus and may change your practice for the better. Also looks good on CV's and adds weight when going for jobs. I work in mental health so by its nature its going to be more thankless than adult nursing, after all most of my clients don't want to be in hospital and make that quite plain. Its not all bad though the job is mad and fast-paced, working in a team is fun and rewarding. It does make you feel your a somebody and the work you do is crucial. The money although rubbish for the responsibilty you have, you can manage on. The job just gives you alot more confidence in dealing with people and makes you alot more assertive. So like everything has its good or bad points. When going for a job, visit the place first and talk to the people working there, see if the staff are stressed or not. It all depends on what sort of person you are and what sort of environment you want to work in.
Hobbes
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 12:49:37 (BST)
ladies
Hey Hey Hey, I managed to swap phone numbers with a lady the other night! Wish me luck!
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 10:34:07 (BST)
HOBBES
Thanks Hobbes for finding out loads of info for me. I went to OH on Monday and although I travelled at least a hundred miles and my medical was fine, the doctor still could not give me an answer as she had to run it by the consultant. Eventually I was contacted on Wednesday( a week and a half before course commencement) to be told everything is fine. In the meantime I have known nothing and have had to sweat it out. Anyway after a good old moan I will say BYE but cheers .
Andrea
- Sunday, September 09, 2001 at 23:18:29 (BST)
Hobbes
Thanks mate - we need input from you now you are qualified, just to tell us if it is as bad as we expect it to be!!
Anita
- Saturday, September 08, 2001 at 10:31:55 (BST)
to hobbes
hobbes, i really appreciate your posts and i am sure everyone does. Your post has really helped..thank you
rachel
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 20:49:35 (BST)
Rachel-qualifying
Many of you maybe wondering why as a qualified nurse do you post messages on a student nursing forum? Well my training was shite aswell and Rachel a year ago I was feeling the same way you do. Read my post dated 23rd July, to avoid the cock ups I made. I want to improve the students'lot at the moment and don't treat students with contempt as many trained do. I think you lot get a really rough deal and if I can impart any info on avoiding the mistakes I made, then I'll be a happy tiger.
Smug ol' Hobbes
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 17:47:40 (BST)
Presentations
Ahh I remember slagging off presentations when I was student, However you will have to do them when your qualified. You do have to do teaching sessions and when your going for F and G grades you will be expected to do them as part of your interview. However they do have a complete overkill of presentions on the course, I think it makes it convienant for lecturers as they have to do little preparation. Also they never taught us how to do them properly and you ended up with 5 or 6 groups droning on and everybody bored senseless and nobody paying attention. I used to go up with as little preparation as possible and just throw the subject out as a debate, Trisha and Kilroy-style. Also drink loads of alcohol the night before as you really don't give a shit if its a success or not. Happy days. I would'nt recommend this approach when going for a job though. Don't panic future D grades, its highly unlikely you'll be asked to do one for an interview.
Hobbes
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 17:37:43 (BST)
Dawn
Yeah pathetic isnt it? Presentations....huh, they will make you a brill nurse won't they? By the way, I love surgical, much more interesting than my medical placements.
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 16:54:14 (BST)
prensentations
going back to the old presentations (i've been off for a bit). We had one on Wednesday only I was ill (genuinely)along with 14 others (not genuine) and now we have a 5ft lecturer on the war path who has told us that we have to do this presentation (which isn't getting marked whatsoever!!!) in front of 3 other groups who we've never met....I think it's a case of the short person syndrome....And to top it off, I'm still ill....and my 2nd placement on a surgical ward starts on monday and I am poohing myself senseless...
Dawn
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 13:41:58 (BST)
life!! funny old thing?
if you like palliative care so much why think that you have to rotate out after 2 years! And besides isnt 2 years a long way ahead..........who knows what life rich tapestry could embrioder for you by then. Go with the flow, and yes for those control freaks out there, 'you must have a career plan'! B*******! to that. Take every opportunity that arrives at your door and if there not there go looking. Above all be happy as nursing can be a shitty old job at the best of times. All this spend 6 months in surgical and 6 months medical should be way out the door by now unless you really dont know what to do. If Palliative care is what flicks your switch then, hey....good luck and enjoy. Why do you think there are so many sour faced old boots on the wards disguised as staff nurses and sisters, its because they have spent years playing the game and still ended up stuck in the same old same old years later. There are so many opportunities out there for good nurses, go get em girl!!!!
Lou
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 09:56:00 (BST)
I finish in 4 weeks, if I live through palliative care. Only had three patients die in the last 48 hours. My preceptors think I have a future there.... Any advice apart from only work there two years and rotate out???
Amanda
- Friday, September 07, 2001 at 00:04:58 (BST)
i am about to qualify in2 weeks and don't know how on earth i am going to manage as a trained nurse. I feel like i know nothing!!!!! I thought by now i would at least have a clue!!!
rachel
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 22:47:57 (BST)
Linzy
I know what you mean, I often feel useless and really don't know how I will get through it and I'm not even half way there yet. When I am pre-menstrual is worse, don't like myself anyway then, so convince myself that I can't do it and want to give it up!! I felt like this 2 weeks ago, now though I have had a brill week, been on Urology day unit and loved it, really busy, saw loads of stuff and thought it was dead interesting, I actually felt pretty useful too!! The essays etc? Well, I havent started my next assignment yet, should have done, so am panicking a bit, I do keep thinking about it!! It is that bit that causes all the stress I think, something we could do without, there must be a better way of becoming a nurse!
Anita
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 21:15:52 (BST)
well eventually after much avoidance i started my research critique of six articles relating to management of patients who deliberately self harm and i have just finished critiquing the first one, and am about to do the second but i thought i would share this with you guys first. nb the other four articles are apparently useless so i have to find more which are evidence based - nursing sucks - no it doesn't i am only joking it think it is my attitude to essays and my complete laziness that sucks - i wish i was more scholarly (prob spelt wrong) and motivated. :-0
anne-marie
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 12:39:14 (BST)
courses for horses
Linzi, what you have to do is this: Did you see the superman film where Superman went bad, then Clark Kent appeared alongside Superman to fight him??? Well you have to make a good Linzi and a bad Linzi. The good Linzi can be a student nurse, and the bad one can do what the hell she likes. Although I've tried doing this and it hasn't worked yet...
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Thursday, September 06, 2001 at 00:01:22 (BST)
time!!!!!!
excuse me but can anyone shed any light on how the hell they get through this course and maintain a sane head and social life at the same time. i feel at times that im cracking up with all the work involved and then when i do get on top of things you can bet that my mates on the course will phone me up with their problems which i dont mind but it just puts me on a downer again. I feel there is no light at the end of the tunnel, how do u all cope when the going gets tough??????????
linzi
- Wednesday, September 05, 2001 at 21:10:42 (BST)
presentations
We are lucky that our intake only consists of 15 students, so presentations aren't half as bad, we have done 2 sor far!!
Anita
- Wednesday, September 05, 2001 at 18:06:52 (BST)
By the way, still no girlfriend. Anyone interested???
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 23:00:57 (BST)
presentations
I know how it feels to do a presentation in front of your class; we did about five in the last module alone. Believe me, it does get marginally easier every time you have to do one, and I know the audience size is totally unrealistic, but i have found that it has given me a bit of confidence and preparation for interviews, where we will be expected to do presentations at some point. Don't get me wrong, I hate doing them as much as the next person, but I have tried to wear rose coloured spectacles and put a positive spin on things.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 23:00:08 (BST)
hi everyone i am a first year student and i am having to do a presentation in front of my peer group of 40. can anyone enlighten me as to why we should have to be put through this, as when we qualify and have to do presentations it is not in front of this amount. it is just another stress we could do without.
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 22:40:59 (BST)
Do you have a story for Arse Magazine?
Hi I'm Lydia Coke-fiend from Arse Magazine, do you enjoy being exploited by tabloids. Have you absolutely no shame want so ever and do you dress in a carry-on style nurses uniform. Basically do you shag alot? Especially sexy-threesomes? Have you got big tits? Come on you know you do! After all your nurses! Please if you want to perpetuate the same tired old cliches about your profession contact me at Arse Magazine e-mail me at IAM@COMPLETEWANKER.Arse.uk Thanks!
Lydia Coke-fiend
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 14:24:58 (BST)
Do you have a story for M magazine?
Hi, My name's Lianne and I'm contributing editor on M magazine (with the Saturday Mirror) and I'm looking for women to help on features. I'm after people for a feature based on life changing one night stands. Have you had a one night stand, that lead to disaster, romance, a pregancy, a homosexual experience, and would be willing to talk about it in return for a fee? I need to hear from you asap, all stories will be treated with confidence and can be anonymous if you wish. Even if it's not you perhaps you can pass on a story and put me in touch with your friend. Please email me, on lianneludlow@yahoo.com or call on 0207 261 5664.
Lianne <lianneludlow@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 13:28:50 (BST)
ANGE
Hello Ange, the May intake is a new thing. it's really pointless I'm sure. I think the Uni of Sheff are considering a third intake, which will bollocks up the placements as I am sure you will appreciate. To the person who I misunderstood/misunderstood me, I am so sorry! I was having a tres bad day but it's ok now because i've JUST SAT MY FINAL EXAM!!!!!
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 23:24:29 (BST)
ROPER LOGAN AND TIERNEY
Not that I know much but I do know the Roper Logan and Tierney process as the hospital where I study use it impeccably (I wish!!) but they are supposed to so if you need a hand let me know....
dawn <lolnursey@yahoo.co.>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 23:00:09 (BST)
GOD ONLY KNOWS!!!!!!!!!!!
Roper, Logan and Tierney - I really don't know!!!!!!!
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 22:17:46 (BST)
nursing process/roper logan. Have been studying it in college. On the wards the nurses use it but assessments are just rushed and inadequate. Why are they teaching us this in depth when in reality it just doesn't work like that?
ben
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 21:48:38 (BST)
thank's Dawn!
Thank 4 information I will pass it on 2 my friend I think that diploma students can apply 4 part of a student loan? Not sure though! There was a number of mistakes in my message I know!It was late! Sinead
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 19:44:47 (BST)
Dawn
Hi, I am with Chester College too, but at the Leighton site. I was interviewed in Feb 2000, was told on the day that I could start either June or September 2000, I started in June. From what I hear though things are different this year, applicants are queuing up to start now.
Anita
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 18:17:36 (BST)
RE: I HATE ESSAYS
You have my deepest sympathy Anne-Marie! I could have wriiten your letter. I do exactly the same - although i tend to be sat here the day before submission. Good Luck Anyway!& You CAN do it
Simon
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 18:05:26 (BST)
admissions
I don't know if the north west is not receiving as many admissions as other parts of the country but I applied to NMAS in June 2000, got an interview in September 2000 and started in February 2001. I applied to Chester College in Chester and whether a lot of folk don't realise you can apply there I'm not sure....
dawn
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:36:03 (BST)
Admissions ...
I know this is not much help to those applying for places on courses but from looking at the messages posted on here, it seems that there is a lot of difference in admission times depending on where you live. I'm at Trinity College in Carmarthen under Swansea University doing my diploma and am just starting my 2nd year now. I applied for a place in July 1998, had my interview in December 1998 and started September 99. However, I've now been told that there is a huge waiting list for adult branch places right up until 2003 ... So good luck. It might be hard going but it's worth the wait!!
Heath
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:20:52 (BST)
Sorry if I sounded grumpy then but I am trying to get my head around one of those sociological/psychological essays that they get you to do, because lets face it when someone is admitted onto the ward you're meant to analyse how they've lived and how they were brought up aren't you? I know it's meant to help you assess patients holistically but all the same what the hell has Weber got to do with real life??? Answers on a postcard for essay tips please, pretty please!!!!!
Dawn <lolnursey@yahoo.co>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:13:16 (BST)
any advice?
I am about to start an access course to nursing. I will start nursing next september but have no idea which route to take. Should I do a degree or diploma? Any advice would be appreciated.
Joanne <a.joanne@lineone.net>
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:07:07 (BST)
to english student in West Mid
I think you'll find that most of us only get 3 uniforms, some of our group had to buy their own because none from the college were available. There is a big difference between pay for diploma and degree students namely, degree students can apply for income support/WFTC when on holiday, diploma students can't, Degree students can apply each year for 3 years for a student loan, Diploma student's can't, Degree students can also apply for a DFI loan, Diploma student's can't,Degree student's can also apply for travelling passes that Diploma students can't and other benefits only applicable to full time degree students. Diploma student's work for a longer period of time on the ward and I think you will find that the extra work a Degree student has to do at the end, an essay of approx 10,000-20,000 words is a little more than the normal 3,000-5,000 that us diploma students do. If you disect the money differences between Degree and Diploma you will see a difference it's up to your friend on the Degree course to enquire hard, about what is available to him/her with regards to money.
dawn
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 17:06:15 (BST)
so i have given up with the computer i am off to the library - honest!
anne-marie
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 14:51:19 (BST)
I HATE ESSAYS
I am now in trimester 8, and am supposed to be doing my final assignments and yet again i have left it to the last two weeks. i am sitting at this computer with piles of books and articles thing the usual "i can't do it" and comletely avoiding the word part of the computer - now shall i surf the net or take a deep breath and get on with, oopps no i mean start my assignments?
anne-marie
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 14:32:29 (BST)
Andrea-fitness for training
I've been in contact with many people regarding your ability to start your training. Most feel that even with the lack of background info you should be able to start your training. One runs a motherhood and mental health servive and feels strongly that Occupational health are over-reacting, as in her words they know "diddly-squat about PND". If they are still not letting your begin the course, because your still on anti-depressants you should point out the fact that people have to come off anti-depressants slowly and are usually prescribed them even after symptoms have disappered to prevent relapse. Maybe an independant psychiatric assessement is needed. I bet my right arm that they did'nt do any assessments on you, right? So whats their rationale?
HOBBES
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 10:29:38 (BST)
Hi, I'm a 1st year female student at Uni of the West Of England (Where we only get 3 uniforms! I was told by a friend who is trained that she got 10 when she started! What ever happened 2 infection control!) I have read some of the messages! The HCA and Student debate was one which we have discussed at uni a number of times! As while placement some of us did feel like 'the extra pair of hands'. My Mentor on ward I worked on was very good. She had been trained 3 years, and understood what it was like 2 b a student! Other students in the same Hospital (which by the way was 30 miles away, try driving 60 miles a day 4, 14 weeks along with 8 hour shifts!) however were not as luckly as I was! The Sister was rude and hurtful, causing the student to leave the ward! this is not on! Can anyone explain why there is a large difference in the bursry pay between degree & diplom! Why not both b non-means tested? The only difference on my course to a degree course is that I do not do a dissotation at the end! everything else is the same! A friend of mine is on the degree course and is finding it hard 2 live on the small amount she gets! It is not even ever month! I can also change up 2 degree level in year 2! if results ok! so why the difference! She is in all of the same lessons as I am! Sorry 4 any spelling mistakes it is late!
- Monday, September 03, 2001 at 00:24:14 (BST)
Matt - you sound as thought I offended you in some way - I'm sorry if you took it that way , in no way was I having a dig at you personally, just the system. I was merely expressing my frustration at trying to secure a place on a diploma course, something you would presume to be quite easy seeing as the government constantly harps on about the lack of staff. I recently applied to Swansea University and was told that I may not get an interview until 2003 - a long time to wait when you are already a mature person - every year that passes is a year wasted.
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 17:36:46 (BST)
Query for matt!
Matt, I did part of my training at Sheffiled Uni and when I was there, they had two intakes - March and September. Has this now changed to a May intake and if so, has the September intake changed to November?
ange
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 17:29:23 (BST)
'tis true
I know a girl who has been accepted and she thought she was starting in October, her letter even said so, she has now found out that that intake is full and she will start in Feb!!
Anita
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 16:57:10 (BST)
also, i didn't mention any other universities.
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 13:51:12 (BST)
fully booked
Sheffield Uni are fully booked UNTIL may 2003 on the adult branch, meaning there are still places in may 2003. would you like anything else explaining???
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 13:50:11 (BST)
Matt - If Sheffield Uni and others are 'fully booked' until May 2003 why are the NMAS still accepting applications for them? Surely, in terms of paperwork at least, it would make more sense to suspend applications for their courses. And how can these universities be fully booked up when the application process only begins for the 2002/3 intakes on the 1st Sept 2001. ?????
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 12:38:05 (BST)
filling classrooms
I don't think there'll be a problem as far as finding students to fill the classes is concerned. I know that at Sheffield Uni nursing places are booked up until may 2003.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Sunday, September 02, 2001 at 09:58:01 (BST)
Changes to Bursary
Can anyone predict what will be the outcome of the bursary changes affecting non-EU prospective pupils - is this going to mean a shortage of students to fill diploma places? Are the universities going to find it difficult to fill their classrooms because of this new rule? Or will it not make much difference?
- Saturday, September 01, 2001 at 13:06:10 (BST)