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- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 22:40:01 (GMT)

is there any one in here

- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 22:33:31 (GMT)

Sassy's grand wage increase (!)
The biggest employer in the Uk is the NHS, so one of its biggest expenditures is going to be wages, make sense?
Nat Mills
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 18:33:58 (GMT)

Hey Nat!
If the highest expenditure for the NHS is wages, then why not just pile the entire 1 billion right into a better pay deal, working from the bottom of the pyramid up for a change? In fact, why not just pay the entire 1 billion to Nurses and HCA's. There'd be an avalanche of applications and no vacancies and everyone would be happy cheery. In fact, why not just pay the entire 1 billion to us students. In fact...(I could go on, but I'm sure you can see where this is going)
Sassy
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 18:18:00 (GMT)

Blow harder
Hobbes!! Say it's not so!! You're leaving these fair and sceptered Isle for...for, where the hell are you going anyway? It's somewhere hot and sunny isn't it. But not that remote that you can't still reach the ol' computer and post to us saddo's left here griping and moaning etc. (what me?)
Sassy
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 18:13:16 (GMT)

Taxation
Come on then everyone, who would happily pay an extra 3-4p in income tax to have an NHS up to the standard of our European neighbours? The government have finaly bitten the bullet and agreed that this should and will happen. But just watch most of the populous change opinion from having a decent NHS to paying too much in tax. Labour have finaly done what they should have done when they came to power, funded a proper health care system without compromise. Well, only a promise for now but hopefully this will come to fruition. What does everyone think?
Nat Mills <natwm@btopenworld.com>
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 18:00:17 (GMT)

Kate & Ward Manger, (fight endless rambling with endless rambling)
I've found it interesting to see "old school" nurses posting there messages recently, particulary WARD MANAGER and his/her eccentric ramblings. Yep my training was crap, (qualified last year), and yep I whinged alot. The course in college taught me nothing. Yet here I am about to move abroad and recently told that by my manager and others that they are really sad to see me go as they consider me as one of the most experienced and valued members of the team and would be eligable and capable of an "F" within a few months. So how did a product of crap training get to be ok at his job? Our training, except for placements, taught us nothing so we had to go and learn it all ourselves, this has made us more assertive, independent and willing to challange bad practice and the status Quo, instead learning parrot-fashion like you lot. Many of us are older and have valuable life experiences to bring to the job. We train these days in poverty, not like the old salaries you we're paid, its made us able to manage with limited resources and toughened us up, a major bonus in the NHS. We're knowlegable about new techniques and know how to access research, we don't just continue the same old half-arsed, out of date, nursing techniques alot of you guys do.If half the stories I heard, about old school nurses are true I'm glad I'm "new school", corruption and abuse was rife. Nurses happily admitted that "in their day" as students they could turn up pissed on the ward and get away with it. Today were more accountable and I feel we respect that. I've delt alot recently with talking through abuse perpetrated on clients, by staff in the "good old days" and I'm glad there gone. Show some of your students alittle more respect in future, its harder for them than it was for you.
Hobbes,(blowing his own trumpet)
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 16:16:12 (GMT)

Calling all Student Nurses
I am in my first year as a student, but was a HCA before that on our hospital bank, I firmly believe that you only get out of your course what you put into it, I ask my mentors alot of questions and I get good answers, so 'SPEAK UP.' And Good Luck!
Helen
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 15:39:11 (GMT)

Congrats
Nice one Ange! Well done! Welcome to Nursing!
Hobbes
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 15:38:38 (GMT)

Traditional Nurses
I'd like to say, with fear of being killed, that we should listen to the advice of 'traditional nurses'. There have been senior nursing staff posting comments on this message board for as long as I can remember, and a lot of their advice has really helped me out. Fair enough, there are occasionally people who post really stupid and senseless things, I am very guilty of that, but we are all surely entitled to post what the hell we like. You don't have to read what other people write if you don't want. PS Congrats Ange, I'm dead jealous - I've still got 10 months left!
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 14:59:58 (GMT)

My new job
Thanks guys, my job is for intensive care, start in march and i cant wait!
ange
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 13:40:18 (GMT)

The reason..............
that I would not give any advice to anyone on this site is because those who dare to give it, are thanked with rudeness/ageism type of comments.
Kate
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 08:00:43 (GMT)

RE:Students
Just thought I would say to all students keep up the hard work and ignore comments from traditional nurses. When are they going to quit looking back with rose tinted specs. Nursing is no longer about how precise the bed corners are. Being in the sluice is inevitable and we all have to do it but if this is all you are doing say something. At the end of the day only you can be responsible for your learning. The 3 years seem to go on forever but the day you are on your own will come and if all you know is the sluice good luck. Summary, keep your chin up,be firm and good luck!!!!!!
Florrie
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 06:26:26 (GMT)

Help
Sorry to be a bore but I am struggling to find a site that will give statistics on elderley people and falls whilst in hospital.Can anyone help,I have been searching the net for hours!
Shelley <krysia.m1@btinternet .com>
- Friday, November 30, 2001 at 01:23:50 (GMT)

Senior Ward Manager - Kate
Ooooooh, handbags at dawn! You can't be a good ward manager if you can't be bothered to advise your students tut tut!!!
Emma <funkygal@femail.co.uk>
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 23:39:15 (GMT)

?
I think that "Ward Manager" may well be a ward manager. Miss spelt words and poor grammar are not that uncommon. Doctors are just as bad. The older ones are not that good at IT skills. However I would doubt that all of those who call themselves "students" are in fact students. The ones that I meet are mostly well spoken and polite. This site seems to have more than it's fair share of morons. There is no room in nursing for them. Assuming that is what they want to be of course. Oh by the way, please don't ask me for any advice. Asked your tutor that is what they are paid for.
Kate <Senior Nurse Manager>
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 22:53:26 (GMT)

is there anyone in here

- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 22:51:08 (GMT)

hi guys

- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 22:49:10 (GMT)

Well done Ange what kind of department are you going to.
BETH
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 19:23:28 (GMT)

Ange
Congratulations Ange and good luck with the new job!
Emma <funkygal@femail.co.uk>
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 18:38:19 (GMT)

CONGRATULATIONS ANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!well done!!!!
Dawn
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 18:09:24 (GMT)

How to win friends and influence people
I am often inspired by positive teaching but I learn more from negative encounters. Reading your messages teaches me much. As an addition to your debate re: interviews, many companies use them as a source - not a pillar of discerning an appropriate candidate; indeed, shelf stackers receive a more challenging assessment process than deputy ward managers. Just a thought.
Martin S Grant <martinandugs@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 18:06:24 (GMT)

Its a Miracle
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I got the job, I got the job, I got the job!!!!!!!!!!! HURRAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
ange
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 17:37:10 (GMT)

Ward manager
From the amount of time you spend on this site you must manage a very quiet ward. Either that or your a lonely old spinster, i wonder why?????
Helen
- Thursday, November 29, 2001 at 09:29:28 (GMT)

Ward Manager my A**E!!! I think its laughable that a student or someone so sad and so obviously dishearted with nursing should wish to pretend to be a Ward Manager. If not, you should be proud and admit to where you come from. Your so perfect english and grammer show through all of your postings (sarcastic remark!!!)
Dawn
- Wednesday, November 28, 2001 at 21:36:13 (GMT)

WM from Dave
I don't know about ratty but it's great to get a friendly human response to a posting. I know it can be disheartening at times but who knows after the tax hike things might look rosey again as nurses start flooding back to the newly funded and well paid posts - I'll just take those tinted glasses off a minute!
DaveRGN <davergn@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, November 28, 2001 at 19:51:15 (GMT)

You are funny.
Dear ward manager please keep posting on this site, you are so bloody funny. I would love to work on your ward.
Pat
- Wednesday, November 28, 2001 at 19:15:24 (GMT)

Reply to Anon.
No I am NOT Sister bloody Taylor. Do you like to dress like her? Are you mad? The only reason that i post on this site is because it may be helpful to students who seek advice from a WARD MANAGER that is what I AM. Why do you seem to have a problem with that? You must be bloody mad. Men make very good nurses and so do women. Is that new infomation to you. Do you work on Mental Health? If so please ask one of the patients to help you.
Ward Manager.
- Wednesday, November 28, 2001 at 16:29:01 (GMT)

Reply to Dave.
Sorry if i was a little bit ratty last night Dave. Interviews have been a sore subject with me for sometime now for a number of reasons. 1. It seems to take months for our personal department to advertise vacant posts. Therefore we are short of staff for much longer than need be the case. 2. I make time in my diary to hold the interviews, only to find that because things have been so long winded in finding the candidates, most of them find a job elsewhere. 3. We recently appointed a lovely staff nurse who we were so pleased to find. Unfortunately (for us, the ward.) her husband has just been sent down south with his job, so we will be losing her in the new year. 4. I simply hate telling nurses that they haven't got the job. When they are starting out on their career. They need all the help that they can get. They don't need knock-backs, not because they were not suitable but because i only had one posts to offer. We can spend the whole day just doing interviews. I know that there is an easy way of doing things.
Ward Manager.
- Wednesday, November 28, 2001 at 16:16:42 (GMT)

dear Ward Manager, Surely the E grade of 10 years in your story would have to be interviewed because it would be unfair on the other applicants if (s)he weren't. Come on, you're not really a ward manager are you??? By the way, blokes can be nurses too... You really are sounding more and more like Sister Taylor.

- Wednesday, November 28, 2001 at 06:59:41 (GMT)

To she who feels that she does
Just because you feel that your ideas are correct doesn't mean that they are. Discussing your ideas and how they apply to nursing would undoubtedly be enlightening and possibly useful but that still doesn't help the poor sods who have to attend interviews right now!
DaveRGN <davergn@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 22:47:53 (GMT)

He who wished he knew all!
If a nurse was sent to me and she/he turned out to be naff or it was found that they had told LIES, on her/his CV then they would be dismissed for FRAUD. The vetting procedure, if it was undertaken in the correct manner, would be able to tell if the person was pucker or not. Do you not understand how this system works? It is the most fair and decent way of employing staff. As things stand in the NHS now , a nurse may have worked on a ward as an 'E' grade for, say 10 years. She may be the best nurse one has seen in years, yet if she wants to go and work on another ward then she has to be subject to an INTERVIEW.What a waste of time to all concerned. If they cannot trust her after 10 years when can they?
Ward Manager.
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 22:30:20 (GMT)

Know it all - I wish....
Glad to see I rattled your cage :-) The primary purpose of my post was to provide some strategies for dealing with the system as it stands now. Seeing as you know so much about the process please follow the logic through. What if you ended up with someone who either obviously didn't fit into the team or after being sent to you it was obvious that her stated abilities were not as they had been stated in her application information?
DaveRGN <davergn@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 21:59:55 (GMT)

To know it all Dave.
Oh yes i forgot BBC,ITV,VIGIN.
Ward Manager.
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 21:46:50 (GMT)

PATRONISING GARBAGE.
Ward Manager.
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 21:33:50 (GMT)

To know all Dave.
Many other organisations use the method that i suggest, BT,ICI,BOOTS,WH SMITH, WYETH, to name but a few. However POWER FREAK'S prefer the NHS way.
Ward Manager.
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 21:29:12 (GMT)

I agree with Claire but......
Commiserations to you Claire. I would suggest that what would possibly be more helpful would be the means to find out how to present yourself confidently and competently. I was amazed after the ranting that Ward Manager has done that she would be happy for someone sat in an office with no first hand knowledge of her ward deciding who would be appropriate!! Surely the point of interviews is to establish whether someone is what they proclaim to be on their CV or portfolio by seeing if they can talk about the things of which they claim to have skill and knowledge. I believe that helping nurses to gain an understanding of the interview process which ever role they are taking (interviewer or interviewee) would be more constructive. I am not green enough to believe that the interview process is without fault but ultimately some form of interview has to take place. If you feel that you are "playing God" then perhaps you feel that the decision is based on lottery rather than applying logical processes. It goes with out saying that there may be difficult choices to make but ultimately the good of the patients should be primary when making decisions. Personal preferences of the interviewers always play a part from the type of question to the environment of the interview but education on good interview technique would certainly go some way to make the results more even handed.
DaveRGN <davergn@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 21:04:17 (GMT)

I fully agree Claire.
Interview's are a real dread. I also feel that many are corrupt. They are a real waste of everybodys time and effort. I as a ward manager have more than enough to think about without playing 'God'( see, i am human) on someone's career. It is high time that they were done away with. What i would like to see is this. When you qualify as a nurse, you should be able register at a hospital of your 1st choice then your 2nd choice then 3rd. It SHOULD then just be a case of placing you on that ward or at least offer you a place somewhere in the hospital. WE DO NEED NURSES DON'T WE? I as a ward manager should be able to telephone the personal department and make a request.For example: "Hello this is sister ------- can you send me a 'D' grade nurse next Monday please to -----Ward. My present one is leaving. Newly qualified full/part time would be fine." Or who ever i wanted. E, F, HCA, whoever. The personal department should know all about the person they will be sending me and if she/he would be suitable or not to work on my ward. Why do we mess about with interviews. Instead they bring nurses from around world to work in our hospital's. We should WELCOME WITH OPEN ARMS OUR ONW HOME TRAINED STAFF. It makes me so MAD.
Ward Manager.
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 19:43:56 (GMT)

i had an interview a couple of weeks back and I was quite nervous and waffled. I didn 't get the job and the ward sister said my interviewing technique needed working on. This knocked my confidence especially as 2 of my friends got the job. Although there was a lot of interest in the job I still feel a failure. My current placement is shocked I didn't get the job. I think it is ridiculous that there are plenty of really good nurses out there, but just because they are not great in interviews they are denied the chance to be good staff nurses
claire
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 19:00:36 (GMT)

what made you think you'd screwed up in ur interview, hobbes?
ange
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 17:22:02 (GMT)

Please help
We are a class of Degree students, not nursing but we have have been asked to compile a recruitment folder and our subject is a Staff Nurse in a private nursing home. We would be very grateful for any information that could be provided on the following: What would be the ratio of Qualified Nurses to Care Assistants in nursing homes? How many Staff nurses would normally be employed per Old Person and is there any legislation governing these numbers? How many nurses are there in the UK at the moment, how many are qualified at staff nurse level and how many are in training to become staff nurses. What kind of salary can a staff nurse expect to be offered if they were working in a private nursing home and is this more than what they would recieve if they worked for the NHS? Where does a staff nurse fit in on the nursing scale ie what positions are above and below a staff nurse.
Sarra Curley <donaldshorsemen@btinternet.com>
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 17:01:42 (GMT)

Interview
Mine lasted about the same time, I screwed it up but still got the job.
Hobbes
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 15:25:17 (GMT)

interview nightmare
just had interview, was an absolute nightmare - they didnt ask me anything that I expected them too, even though I'd done loads of preparation, so I sat there waffling on about something inappropriate to the question. Has anyone else had an experience like this? The interview only lasted 10-15 minutes - is this normal or could they not wait to get me out quick enough? I feel such a failure :-(
ange
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 15:17:10 (GMT)

oh my gawd!!!
I have got my first interview for a staff nurse post this afternoon and I am terrified terrified terrified! I wonder if ward manager could give me any tips?!!!
ange
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 11:16:11 (GMT)

SORRY!!!! Just realised that I pressed the "send" button a wee few too many times!!!!!!!!!!
Dawn
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 10:57:33 (GMT)

Elective Placements
I am just finishing my first year and starting to wonder about the elective placements. I am based with Chester College in Chester and actually want to do an elective in another hospital in Scotland, does anybody know if this is allowed. I know that our College promotes an elective placement in Finland so I am presuming that I could chose to go to another hospital here but I am not so sure as to how to go about it. I would be very grateful for anybody's input. thanks.
Dawn
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 10:56:56 (GMT)

Anita - not a shag. Sorry to disappoint. I appear to be getting back with my ex.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 07:00:26 (GMT)

ward manager, thanks for your reply. You sound like you do care and your philosophy of care mirrors how I too feel about nursing.
claire
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 23:13:55 (GMT)

Matt
Oh Matt you didn't get a shag at last did you???
Anita
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 22:29:19 (GMT)

Enough.
To those of you who are trying to find out my ID. I have told you enough already.
Ward Manager.
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 21:26:03 (GMT)

Emma.
Emma, of course i would love to have you on my ward you sound like a lovely person. My sence of humour is not always seen clearly by others. I respect your comments. I was teasing you.
Ward Manager.
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 21:14:32 (GMT)

Sister Taylor at the Hallamshire MY GOD! that sends a shiver down my spine.
Definetly Annon.
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 21:05:33 (GMT)

Hello
It's been a wee while since I've been here! You may (or probably not) remember me as the hapless geezer with the crap lovelife... Things may be taking a turn for the better - watch this space.
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 21:03:23 (GMT)

Dear Ward Manager
You're not Sister Ann Taylor on ward M2 at the Royal Hallamshire Hospital are you? It would stand to reason that you are...

- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 20:56:12 (GMT)

Ward Manager
You said in an earlier post that you wouldn't employ me on your ward - why not? I am very respectful of patients, work colleagues e.t.c., my communication skills are good, I am keen and willing to learn and will continue to be once qualified, I enjoy caring for my patients and aim to provide them with excellent quality care. I am proud of my portfolio to date, and if I had to work for you I can guarantee you would not be disappointed, no matter how good or bad a ward manager you may be, so please do not judge me - I am entitled to an opinion on what you say on here, as you are too, but that does not make me or the other students on here lousy nurses.
Emma <funkygal@femail.co.uk>
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 20:23:32 (GMT)

Reply to Claire.
Thank you for your very good question Claire. A good student nurse in my book is one that cares for others. She/He should be one who is kind to others. One who will ask question after question until they find the answer. One who can blend into the ward team and be a vauled member of that team. One who does not go out clubbing untill the early hours, then telephones the ward to say they are feeling ill, 10 minutes before the start of a 7am shift. They should be able to communicate well with anyone. They should set an example to others. They should be able to look at a patient and know if the patient looks 'comfortable'. They should be professional at all times, especially whilst on the ward in front of patients/relatives/other staff. They should show respect to all members of staff, be they porters, domestics, or top consultants and of course to patients. If a student comes on my ward and is anything like above, then i will support and help them in anyway that i can. A staff nurse /ward manager should be all those things as well. My ward is a very happy and well run one. If it were not then i would be a disgrace. My husband and one of our sons are also ward managers. I give 100% to my job and i expect 100% from all those who work on it.
Ward Manager.
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 19:44:19 (GMT)

to the 'ward manager'
I felt i had to reply to your post titled 'well i never' on sunday. Firstly, the reason no one hurled 'abuse' at you was because for once you expressed an opinion without any childish, pedantic banter. And another thing - telling students to 'get on with their homework', students who are probably older and more capable than you, can be classed as patronising and downright offensive. If you dont want to kick up a stir on this site, try treating people with respect. This is why you yourself have not earned any.Why not give it a try and you might find that some people actually respond positevly to your comments......
ange
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 18:56:41 (GMT)

Help
Anyone got any rats?
Pied Piper
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 16:51:53 (GMT)

Home and Away
I have scrolled down quite a lot to read the old postings (having just found this site...)and would just like to say this. I trained in Leicester in 78 - 81 (yes Im an old fart now) then did RSCN in Manchester. I have worked mainly as a head nurse / sister / administrator / director and have worked in UK, Saudi Arabia and USA. I continued to get more quals. in USA incl. masters degree and various certificates. I worked hard as a student in UK on 40 bed plus heavy heavy wards (the old nightingale wards with a balcony - are they all gone now?) and remember my legs aching so much I couldnt get to sleep at night. Saudi of course is crazy but fun and USA is different but OK once you get used to it. My point is - yes I do have one - your nursing carrer can take you anywhere you want it to and in all kinds of directions. I am now back in Saudi again in a high level position and having a ball. We also have the problems with staff shortages, etc the rest of the world is dealing with, but we make the best of it. Plus we could all get blown to Kingdom come at any minute but thats part of the adventure I suppose! (hahah) I have always supported my staff 100% and do not accept abuse of nurses by docs or bad conditions etc. I am saddened when my Mum sends me papers from UK about rats and filth in NHS wards etc. Our wards were always clean and tidy. I am not sure what went wrong in the NHS since I left but when the students staffed the wards and were the main workforce we all learned a lot and got fantastic experience. I was in charge of my ward on my first lot of nights 3 mths into training complete with post op and emergency patients coming in all night. The patients then always got got excellent care. That kind of beginning gives you the confidence to go out and excel. Sorry for yapping on. If anyone wants to work in Saudi please dont be afraid its perfectly safe!! Cheers then.
Samantha
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 14:27:22 (GMT)

Ward Manager
Hi there Ward Manager, I've read with interest your messages that you have posted here and wondered if you would be interested in being a guest on one of my television shows here in the U.S. You sound like the right sort of guest that we are looking for, you are feisty, direct, uncaring and nasty! People like you really make good entertainment and would definitely boost the ratings of my show. Please let me know what you think. In the meantime, take care of yourself .... and each other.
Jerry Springer
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 14:13:37 (GMT)

Did I spot a posting from our friend Roger? Where have you been mate, qualified I suppose!! Nice to hear from you. By the way, Ward Manager is ace, nice to hear some controversial stuff for a change, things have been quite tame lately. I bet Ward Manager's ward is spotless too!
Anita
- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 09:10:55 (GMT)

what is VRE?

- Monday, November 26, 2001 at 00:09:25 (GMT)

Never mind MRSA, its CDiff that bothers me. Especially when the gloves are of such poor quality that they tear. We can all be carriers and never know it unless tested. What about VRE??

- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 22:50:55 (GMT)

To ward manager. I Found your posts interesting. Can you define what makes a good nurse? What qualities and skills would make a good student and a good staff nurse? Please can you answer this question honestly and descriptively without putting any derogatory remarks across. Many thanks
claire
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 22:10:09 (GMT)

Ward manager.
I would just like to say that I wish you were my ward manager. I am a staff nurse (Grade E) My ward manager is lazy and not in the least bit bothered about anyone. She is paid £24.000 per year for that. Now that is a disgrace.
Emma <emmawingate@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 21:33:00 (GMT)

Well I never!
It was 18.10 since my last posting and i have not had one word of abuse towards me. Hopefully all you students out there know what is wrong within the NHS and will soon put it right. In the meantime STOP ABUSING ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH AND GET ON WITH YOUR HOMEWORK. Then we might (if we are very lucky) find that we have a few (very few) students who will make GOOD NURSES.
Ward Manager.
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 20:52:13 (GMT)

MRSA.
Don't become paranoid about MRSA. Good hand washing and the wearing of gloves BEFORE you start any procedure is all that you need to do most of the time. If you are handling soiled waste,linen, make sure that you use a gown/apron to prevent your clothing from becoming contaminated.
Ward Manager.
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 18:10:15 (GMT)

Whats more.
I suspect the reason that you have met "many ward managers" is because you were moved from ward to ward because of your trouble making.
Ward Manager.
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 17:52:55 (GMT)

Oh really.
I have never said that i will stop posting on this site. That was from a sad student i guess, who would like to make out that by stealing my ID he/she can discredit the truth that i post. I have said before the truth hurts those who don't want to read it. The real disgrace in nursing today is the training of students. On the day P2000 came into being was the day when the nursing profession went and keeps going down hill. The UKCC is run by has-beens who spend their time fleecing nurses of their hard earned cash. The fall out numbers of students is a disgrace. The importing of foreigners who can not speak English, to nurse our patients is a disgrace. You never said who you are. Thats a disgrace.
Ward Manager.
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 17:47:41 (GMT)

MRSA
Jane, I have come accross many patients with mrsa in my time, and have witnessed little, if any protection, ie, gloves, masks and aprons, being worn by staff. One of my friends was a carrier of mrsa, and to be honest, I think everyone who comes into contact with the patients is also. Does anyone know what protection an apron, mask and gloves offer? What about the rest of the body? Also, few people wear masks, even so they are only effective for 15 minutes. What does everyone think of this?
ange
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 16:47:13 (GMT)

Just a quick question about MRSA - how prevalent is it in the hospitals? How many of you have yet to come across it? And how effective do you feel barrier nursing is? Also have any healthcare staff ever contracted it through their work?
Jane
- Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 08:04:39 (GMT)

You are a disgrace to the nursing profession
ward manager - you are amazing. I have met many ward managers in my time, and never have I read such unprofessional, immature, and downright rude comments. You are a disgrace to the UKCC. If you cannot be civil to colleagues, I shudder to think what you are like with your patients. Stop critising students and start to look closer to home. It is plain to see that your derogatory comments are nothing more than a cover up of your own lack of confidence and self esteem. There are some very good councellors out there who may or may not be able to help you, but in the meantime, I agree with you on one thing - you should stop posting on this site.

- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 23:19:44 (GMT)

Unison.
Reply to Clara. I would reconmend Unison. I used to belong to the RCN but their repasentation is no where as good as Unison. What ever one you choose to join it is very wise these days to be in a union. All the best.
Ward Manager.
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 19:51:19 (GMT)

Bad girl Emma.
I would never have you on my ward.
Ward Manager.
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 19:41:08 (GMT)

which union should i join?
clara
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 19:39:57 (GMT)

What?
Paper? Glue? What are you on about? I think you should be on the OTs site. They are the ones you are paid bloody good money to play with paper and glue type of things. NOT WARD MANAGERS.
Ward Manager.
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 19:37:19 (GMT)

It is no wonder all P2000 nurses are crap
I was shocked to read one of the Ward Manager's missives and note that one of their students had complained about collages. Small wonder nursing suffers such a poor reputation in higher education when students are being forced to piss about with coloured paper and horse glue. Tsk tsk!
roger <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 19:27:13 (GMT)

Well I never!
Just a short while ago I was being called everything under the sun by some, not so bright students, (because they did not like to read the truth.) Now they are sending postings to this site and trying to kid you that it has come from me. What a sad life they must lead. All students that read this site should be pleased that a very busy person like me bothers at all, to offer them good sound advice.
Ward Manager.
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 18:48:23 (GMT)

Please don't leave!
Come back, Ward Manager! All is forgiven. You may be totally mad, but at least you're not boring, like me.
Big Ones
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 16:30:10 (GMT)

I have a confession to make - I am a complete nutcase. Ignore everything I say because it's worthless. If I have any sense I'll stay away from this chatroom
Ward Manager
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 14:11:05 (GMT)

Ward Manager & Frances
I don't know what its like where you two work but where I am training (I'm a 3rd year) us students do exactly the same as the health care assistants, so washing, dressing, toileting patients e.t.c. and we are not allowed to refuse! In fact we spend more time doing these sorts of jobs than we do learning about what the qualified nurse does (you know the stuff liked drugs, discharging patients and all that?) It seems to me that you don't actually learn much working on the wards, and that you actually have to learn it all when you qualify, when you have a different uniform on and people know not to look at you as a health care assistant anymore. As for students reporting qualified members of staff, I was talking to an ex student, now qualified member of staff, the other day and she told me that when she was training she reported a qualified nurse who's treatment of an elderly patient was appalling. The unit responded by promoting this nurse to an E grade! So even if students do report you, it doesn't make any difference to you as you get away with murder!!!
Emma <funkygal@femail.co.uk>
- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 12:43:34 (GMT)

......and thats if you really are a ward manager, as I doubt that very much. GET A LIFE

- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 11:25:18 (GMT)

Ward manager you suck!
I have read with amusement, for some time now, the postings contributed by the 'Ward manager' - WHO R U? You are definately not a ward manager, but a sad, lonely, bitter and twisted ignoramus. Stop trying to belittle student nurses, we are the nurses of the future, I suggest if you cant take that, then do your patients a favour and quit your job. I pity any patient in your care.

- Saturday, November 24, 2001 at 11:24:18 (GMT)

Nice girl.
Thank you for that Helen. I bet you are a nice girl.
Ward Manager.
- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 21:42:11 (GMT)

Calm Down
Why does everything have to come down to an argument, there are better ways to voice your opinion without all the vicious comments. Aren't we all supposed to work in a caring friendly environment, i just hope you don't talk to the patients like that!
Helen <k.b.marshall@ntlworld.com>
- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 21:24:44 (GMT)

Well said.
Well said Frances. A lot of students (not all) do not have the intellect or manners to be worthy enough to earn the title of Nurse. One only has to read the rubbish that some of them post on this site, always bloody moaning about something or other. However there are some students who will make very good nurses. The rest can go and join the OTs. Now they are a useless bunch who would be lost without a pen.
Ward Manager.
- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 21:08:42 (GMT)

sounds like you need a job change frances. You sound bitter and burnt out!!

- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 19:14:43 (GMT)

reporting people is part of clinical governance Frances, something I'd not expect an umambitious, bitter, pre P2000 nurse to know about.

- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 06:38:31 (GMT)

what a load of whingers
I feel sorry for you lot of whingers. I've nursed -yeah it's crap, but what gets on my nerves most is whingeing students, get a life, get decent training - that doesn't produce staff who only want to be managers and not do any actual work, and for gods sake give those of us who did proper nurs training (pre project 2000) a break. If it's so crap - sod off and let us get back to helping patients not spending most of our time watching our backs for fear your lot will report us - something you seem to learn at an early stage. Oh and by the way us 'older' nurses have been there, done it and cleaned the T shirt, when do you lot clean anything? It's obviously beneath you so leave it to the HCAs
frances
- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 05:43:48 (GMT)

Union.
Better to be in it and not need it than need it and not be in it. I think Unison is the best one. Their reps and legal bods will fight your corner to the moon if they have to. I used to be in the RCN.
Ward Manager.
- Thursday, November 22, 2001 at 22:28:25 (GMT)

that is obscene, why on earth are they expecting her to be writing essays when she is about to give birth? The nursing colleges don't give a shit about their students. One of the students on our course lost her mum and they got arsey about her taking time off, saying she would have to make up placement time that she had missed.

- Thursday, November 22, 2001 at 21:17:28 (GMT)

Yes the course is utter crap. My friend who is pregnant and on the course is now overdue and guess what..she is supposed to submit one of her essays at the end of the week!!! So when she goes into labour she will have to fit her essay writing in between contractions!!!
helen
- Thursday, November 22, 2001 at 20:44:08 (GMT)

While I don't actually agree with the messages that the "Ward Manager" has posted previously, I unfortunately have to agree in part, to the message below. I am 2 years into the course and really, in all honesty, don't know an awful lot more than when I started. I have learnt far more by being on the wards and talking to qualified staff than in college. We recently asked our lecturer about whether we were to get a lecture on first aid, and her reply was "First Aid? What on earth do you need to know that for?" I rest my case!!!
<H>
- Thursday, November 22, 2001 at 19:31:28 (GMT)

Students.
A quote from a student today on my ward. "All the knowledge that i have gained in my training has come from the wards. The tutors and collage are crap. A waste of taxpayers money. I would never reconmend the course to anyone". Unquote. Mr Milburn you should be ashamed.
Ward Manager.
- Wednesday, November 21, 2001 at 19:26:41 (GMT)

Auxiliary Nurses.
In real life of course they are NURSES albeit Auxillary ones. They spend more time with patients than anyone else in most aspects of nursing.
Michael
- Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 19:56:23 (GMT)

some of the 'health care assistants' in our hospital refuse to change and have protested. They wish to be known as auxillary nurses and refuse to wear the updated uniforms. When they are referred to as HCA's they quickly correct the person. One of them told me that she feels changing the title to HCA is somehow de-valueing their status as an important hands on nursing team member.

- Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 19:44:03 (GMT)

Futher Jane.
Yes Jane HCAs do have more responsibilty than NAs. An NA, was almost always an A grade. HCAs can be A,B,or C grade. They also have other skills, phlebotomy, advanced first aid and the like.
Michael
- Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 19:22:47 (GMT)

Reply to Jane.
Just like the trained nurses used to be called SRN they are now called RGN. The nursing auxiliary/nursing assistant. N/As are now called health care assistant. HCAs. It all came about years ago, when the snobs in the RCN did not like the idea that so-called 'un-trained' staff had the word 'nursing' in their job title. Also most HCAs are now NVQ2/3. So it can be said that they are NOT untrained. Although they are NOT 'trained' nurses, they do spend more time 'hands on' in most aspects of patient care/nursing.
Michael
- Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 19:13:17 (GMT)

Can anyone tell me what is the difference between a nursing auxiliary and a health care assistant? Are they both the same job but with different titles or have they got different levels of responsibility?
Jane
- Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 18:12:02 (GMT)

entitlements
Seeing as though we student nurses seem to be entitled to absolutely ZERO capital from the state, apart from the most generous bursary (whatever), can we at least be entitled to blow off a little steam on this website?
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 16:55:45 (GMT)

Dear Dickhead, Bickering is part of intelligent conversation. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, So what if they voice it???

- Monday, November 19, 2001 at 23:09:22 (GMT)

dickhead
if we are putting forward valid arguments, how can we be bickering?

- Monday, November 19, 2001 at 21:54:50 (GMT)

Professionals or prats?
I am dismayed by the bickering match that seems to have developed between students and the ward manager. Hello Jerry Springer? Both sides are expressing quite valid arguments but would you all behave this way if you were work colleagues? What happened to the constructive critism and respect? Yes we all have views on the naff bursary but until things change, personal insults will get you all nowhere. As for the HCA treatment that students seem to be receiveing and complaining about, I pity you. You are a student nurse and placed on a ward to learn, so be assertive and get on with it. It's your career at the end of the day and you make of it what you will. If and when you qualify, then you will appreciate how important it is seize the opportunities in your training while you can.
Chris <stnnursechris@aol.com>
- Monday, November 19, 2001 at 21:48:12 (GMT)

ps
Having said that, it is a nightmare working when on placement isn't it!!!
Anita
- Monday, November 19, 2001 at 17:46:43 (GMT)

Sue
You only do what you have to do love. I have been a single mum for years and I had to live on income support for a while years ago and swore I would never be that bloody skint again, I only have one at home, the other is at college and working and the fact that I work to get WFTC too means I am not doing too badly now, my son's father does pay maintenance which is a great help but my daughter's father won't pay up. Still, there are people worse off than me now so I am not whingeing, good luck, let's hope you qualify and don't have to do the game thing any more.
Anita
- Monday, November 19, 2001 at 17:45:07 (GMT)

Shame!
Emma is life modeling, Sassy's struggling to keep her head above water and Sue,s spends one day a week on the game. What a great shame that they all have to do what they have to because they wish to care for other's. They make me feel very humble. God bless you all.
Miles
- Sunday, November 18, 2001 at 20:06:00 (GMT)

Part-timers?
To the student in confessional mode - well, we all have a choice, and some choose to skrimp and save and do without, and some don't. I expect you're a big girl now and well aware of what you're doing. The consequences will be obvious to you no doubt and not just in health matters, but hopefully when you qualify and you try to steer your life away from your Saturday job, you'll be able to break away from it completely. Imagine meeting one of your customers as a patient! I'm a single parent of 3, and I save up my family allowance for the last 3 months of the year - to pay for Xmas. I shop in Oxfam's, and my teenagers wear second hand jeans. We walk at the weekends, to save petrol, we all pack lunch it during the week to make the week's budget stretch - hell, I even cut their hair, to save on the hairdresser! I don't go out but then the computer is my luxury. But that's my choice. We sat down at the beginning of the course and I spelled it out for them - and they agreed to ride the rough until I became a nurse. I've done it for the past two years, and I'll carry on till I qualify. Yes it's a drag, yes it's embarrassing when folk ask you out and you know your bursary won't stretch to it, yes it's heartbreaking when your child wants to do/go/have and you have to work out a way to do it that would put the national bloody treasury to shame - but it's not forever. All the best to you and your family.
Sassy
- Sunday, November 18, 2001 at 19:01:59 (GMT)

I understand H.
I am not proud to admit this H but I am single Mother of 3, half way into my nurse training. Every Saturday I go to a hotel where the owner and others, pay me for sex. I had a choice, lose my home, give up my training, maybe see my kids go into care, always skint. I used to work at the hotel as a cleaner when the owner ask me if I wanted to earn some real money 250/350 per day. If I did not need to do it then I would not. My Mother knows but my Dad would go mad.
Sue.
- Sunday, November 18, 2001 at 16:31:39 (GMT)

Doesn't this just make you sick!
I have just started my second year and have a friend in our group who has wanted to become a nurse since she was small. She was finding it tough financially at the start of the course. Her husband has now left and she is struggling to bring up two small children on her own with no financial support from him and trying to manage the course. On trying to find out if she can get any help from the Benefits Agency, she was told, quite plainly, "Give up your training and we'll help you". The benefits agency won't take a bursary into consideration as they don't class it as work, but Income support say we work!!! If the government are so bloody desperate for nurses, why not try helping the poor sods who are already 'in situ' that desperately want to qualify and succeed but are having barriers put in their way at every opportunity! Sorry, whinge over, it just makes me really mad. Had to get it off my chest, I'm sure you all understand!!
H
- Saturday, November 17, 2001 at 23:29:49 (GMT)

student bursaries
can anyone help me. I am a single parent who is interested in starting a diploma in nursing. I have two daughters aged 11 and 15 and wonder what allowances i would receive for them on top of the basic bursary. I would be grateful for some assistance in this request. Many thanks
j jones <who_u_lookin_at@msn.com>
- Saturday, November 17, 2001 at 16:28:37 (GMT)

Ward Manager
How dare you suggest that we abuse patients!!!! When was the last time you actually spoke to a patient? And I mean speaking to them with some respect and not as if they were a two year old child or with the "I'm holier than thou" attitude? We students are not training for the money (face it, the money is crap!!!) we actually care about the patients and want to see a huge improvement in the care patients receive. The sooner students like us are qualified and on the wards in practice the sooner (hopefully) the likes of you will become extinct and the NHS will see a huge improvement in the treatment and care of patients! I suggest that you keep you outdated opinions to yourself and accept the fact that the students of today are the future of the NHS. Either way, you can like it or lump it as far as I am concerned, and if you don't like your job, get out of it.
Emma <funkygal@femail.co.uk>
- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 23:48:08 (GMT)

Ward manager
Been on a short hoilday, this person signing themselves as a ward manager is'nt one, just somebody pissed off at students for some reason. You can tell by the way he/she communicates. Lets know who you really are.
Hobbes
- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 21:21:55 (GMT)

Reply to ward manager.
Excuse me asking these questions, Sir/Madam. Are you Male (Gay)? Female (Gay)? Are you a student who has been thrown off your course? Are you a mental health patient? Do you have a drink problem? If you think you are normal, then I am well pleased with myself. Please don't try and praise us HCAs in the work we do, you will get us a bad name.
HCA.
- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 20:26:29 (GMT)

Hmmm
Having read your missives (?fake) ward manager, I will use your model of character judging on yourself and deem you to be unfit to be in the nursing profession. People can say what they like on this message board, that is the idea of it. This doesn't mean they are unfit to be a nurse. If Osama Bin Laden wrote something nice on this message board under a false name, would you employ him??? Let us know who you work for so we never have the misfortune to work for you (based on your method of character judgement).
Matt <renton@breathe.com>
- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 19:27:49 (GMT)

Students.
Having read your vile replies you MUST all see my point, that those amoung you who can write such filth are not and NEVER will be worthy enough to become a nurse. If a patient were to ever complain about anything you would respond with abuse.
Ward Manager.
- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 19:08:32 (GMT)

Have a question...
Hi I'm not a nurse (I hope that's not a problem, I won't stay long), but my mother is. The other thing that might be a problem to some people is that she is a foreign nurse. Anyway, my mother got her master's in community health nursing from a college in the USA. She went to zimbabwe and worked for a little, including one year with the UN. She is now working in the Luton area, was told she had to take the supervised practice for 3 months to get her PIN (a cost of 900 pounds), my question was at what grade level would she begin for nursing in the UK? Would she have to take another course of supervised practice to put her degree into effect? What salary range can she begin at? Are hospital jobs the only ones open to her? I thank you all for your time and advice
shandi <shandi76@hotmail.com>
- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 16:32:02 (GMT)

Ward manager my arse whoever you are people have fell for your bull shit. Expecially Suren nice to know your still alive still upsetting people all over internet land Nice tosee Rogers prose too.

- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 15:58:52 (GMT)

Ward Manager
You sad pathetic excuse for a nurse! No wonder students complain having to work alongside idiots of your calibre! Why dont you go back to college and learn some communication skills, then may be you would be able to provide a better learning environment for your students and earn a bit of respect in the process. People like you make me sick - you are in the wrong job love, go visit MacDonalds, I believe they take anyone although I am sure you get the majority of pleasure in your life making things as difficult as possible for your students! People like you should be struck off!!!
Emma <funkygal@femail.co.uk>
- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 22:57:58 (GMT)

call yourself a ward manager. You are just a childish prat!!!!!!!

- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 22:06:32 (GMT)

Students.
The truth always hurts.
Ward Manager.
- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 21:07:55 (GMT)

ward manager
Was you ever a student? How perfect you must have been. It is amazing what poor memories you qualified with years experience are, you must have been the perfect, caring student. It is you with the chip on your shoulder. You mock us for having O/A levels, if we are as uncaring as you say we are then why are we training to become nurses? With our academic qualifications we should be training for jobs with decent pay and hours! But no we want to be nurses because we love caring for people and it is such a shame that students and qualified are quiting the profession because of people like you.

- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 21:04:54 (GMT)

you are not really a ward manager.. it is obvious from your unprofessional biased posts. Just someone trying to wind up the student nursing profession. Get a life!!!!

- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 20:49:02 (GMT)

Students.
A lot of you students are nothing less than a disgrace, you mock patients because they may be too ill to clean their own bottom or they may even 'dare'to ask you for a bedpan, you mock me because i have years of experience and you know very little about anything, let-alone-nursing. Some of you are clearly lacking these----- A.The abilty to care for others. B.The abilty to respect other staff or patients. C.You fail to see any good in anyone other than your own inflated ego's. You all moan about how little you are paid, yet you knew what it would be like before you started your training. Some of you will go on to become very good nurses, (God knows how) (just a few) as for the rest of you, well, Mcdonalds are hireing staff. Judging by the amout of chips that you have on your shoulders you should feel at home there.Oh yes one more thing. The reason that HCAs make very good nurses is because they may not have the Os/As levels that you lot have, however they do have the true skill of being able to care for others and get on with it.
Ward Manager.
- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 20:32:30 (GMT)

I am a qualified staff nurse and guess what the job is really as bad as you say even when you are trained, i remember feeling total rubbish when i was a student and i don't feel any different now infact i have just handed in my notice because of the staff that i have to work with. you will never change anything on the wards as long as there are nurses who are rubbish at their job and are in charge of wards. Good lick to you all and remeber the student when you are qualified!

- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 19:00:09 (GMT)

Re. ward manager
I was so upset that I forgot to sign off!!!!!
Maz
- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 18:22:30 (GMT)

ward manager
Being on a crappy ward with staff that just use us students to fetch, carry, bedbath, provide bedpans, camodes and wipe bottoms. The last thing we need is to be patronised by this ward manager who must have forgotton how hard it is being a student (being so long ago). For your information, Previous HCA's do not always make the best students at all, you will think so because they will take all the crap that they have been used to when working as a HCA and carry on reguardless, saying nothing and taking orders from these 'professionals'! End of the day, as long as the ward runs smoothly with no hiccups (such as a student with an opinion, god forbid) then you couldn't give a damn. Its no wonder students are losing respect, when we ourselves receive little, if any from qualified staff.

- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 18:17:51 (GMT)

Ward Manager Get Real !
Cal
- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 17:38:59 (GMT)

I know the grammer is appalling, but I've been on nights, 'cos hey apparently I can learn more, even though I'm only in my 9 month.....!!!!!!
Dawn
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 20:34:47 (GMT)

Been off for a while and have just tuned into the student training debate going on with the "Manager". Can I just point out one thing, Hilter was in his parliment for over 20 years, it didn't mean that his ways were best. So please, don't justify yourself by advising us of how many you've completed, its demeaning. I myself, wish to become a nurse but I care, and want to help others. But, like many students, if staff insist on putting up barriers and prejudices (i.e. never worked in the care industry before, not been a HCA) then the majority of students will drop out because we want to be nurses with responsibilities and to reach our true potentials, not to spend 6 weeks learning how to clean the sluice, bedbathing all patients emptying catheters. This is not the only components to nursing, but hey what do I know , this is all I'm getting taught on my ward by so called qualified staff who will wonder why I'll be so stressed when I qualify............
Dawn
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 20:33:04 (GMT)

Bloody hell Emma!
I thought £25 per hour was good. In the photos group you say it is £3 per student 15/20 students!!!!!! that is £60 for 2 hours. I am just going to pop into the bathroom and give myself a little trim-up, then i will run stark naked into town and find the nearest collage! It must be a lot easier than working 12 hours in a care home for just £50.
Lyn
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 20:10:27 (GMT)

I dare you.
No one disputes that the income students nurses receive is nothing less than appaling. I would advise you all to write the department of health telling them how much you want to be a nurse. However due to the ridiculous low bursary, tell them that you are seriously thinking of droping out of the course. If enough of you write in they MAY well think again.
Ward Manager.
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 18:46:28 (GMT)

Carry on men
sorry about the delay, been away nudge nudge.... Glad to see that a military bearing finally counts for something on this website, with the welcome addition of Rex et al. Equally thrilling to see that despite having not been here for months, a hint that I had been brought a wonderful knee-jerk reaction from my favourite sparring partner. I have stopped peddling my reactionary fascist diatribe in theatres but have recently started a rotational post in the medical directorate. Hopefully I will be able to continue practicing in the hopeless manner predicted here in these pages by my old mucker. Happy days all
Roger ret'd
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 17:22:57 (GMT)

Reality check
To DaveRGN, In conclusion, it doesn't really matter WHAT is shown during the programme - the very fact that we're having this discussion shows that it's already got all the publicity it needs, but people WILL still tune in, to see if the stories they've heard about it are true. Including you, probably, just so you can remind yourself just how awful it really is, so you can preach about it the next day. If it's such an issue for you, why not consider a career change from nursing to the ITC or Broadcasting Standards Commission? As for your inference that I don't get out much, I work part time at my local theatre and local golf club as well as having a full time job - there's a clue there for all the complaints about not having enough money as a student...
<minifish_uk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 11:51:24 (GMT)

backe not supposed to have an e - correct spelling back! didn't check for other mistakes - apologies
anne-marie
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 10:30:11 (GMT)

in response to ward manager
i am not surprised that you score most of your students as 5 out of ten - all student nurses receive £2.60 an hour - bit hard to live on really isn't it. So to make up their meagre bursary and often to keep their children in clothes and food in their bellies, they have part time jobs on top of their student hours. It is most begrudging to work a sixty hour week for a four figure salary, because it is virtually impossible to live on a bursary unless perhaps you are living at home with your parents, and as we know a great number of student nurses are mature students. So yes enthusiasm can wane. What student nurses need is understanding ward managers and nursing teams, not discouragement. and yes i agree student nursing is far to stuck in academia. Perhaps we should remove the supernumary status and give them a fair wage! ah, but then they wuld be tied to the wards, who knows the answer? ah well i have rambled on for long enough, backe to work now...
anne-marie
- Wednesday, November 14, 2001 at 10:29:06 (GMT)

Reply to Dr Mojett
Hi. No you are not "being ripped off" £25 per hour to life model is about right. That is for artist. However for the photogrphic group, models are paid £3 per student. There are normally about 15/20 students per class, (2 hours 30 min long with break) A lot of people think that it is easy to model. I can assure them it is hard work and one needs to be fit and preferably have an hairless body. Not counting the head of course.
Emma
- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 20:49:22 (GMT)

Students.
I have been a ward manager for 17 years, so i am fully aware of what makes a ward run well. The student nurse of today, i would give most of them 5 out of 10. However others i would give 8 out of 10 and very few 9 out of 10, one or two 10 out of 10. Those who are in the real world and thereby get the higher praise are normally ex HCAs, whom i hold in the highest regard. Student nurse training has improved a little, but it still has a long way to go before it could be called "very good". In my view a true 'nurse' are the ones who are not 'lost' in academia.
Ward Manager.
- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 19:12:00 (GMT)

Gone fishin'
Hi Mini, Always good to see a fresh face and get the opportunity to share a fresh perspective! I think people having a good time would be relatively entertaining. What would make great TV is if someone got completely rat-arsed and puked up all over the place or maybe pissed in a plant pot in the corner or maybe misunderstood someone's intentions and started a fight - now that would really be light-hearted entertainment. Be under no illussion the whole point of the program (and I'm happy for Carolyn to contradict me), is to get something shocking or controversial on tape. If the camera finished taping and all that happened was a good night out with a few laughs I expect it would get binned and never see the light of day. Oh yes perhaps if all you do is rely on the TV to make you feel better perhaps you out to get out a bit more....
DaveRGN <davergn@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 19:05:10 (GMT)

Old saying: Those who CAN do; those who CAN'T teach

- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 17:27:02 (GMT)

Personality Bypass
To DaveRGN, re your mail to Carolyn Have you ever considered that in light of all the doom and gloom that's transmitted into our homes every day, or the made-to-measure, life-is-perfect sitcom crap that is somehow miraculously commissioned every new season,that some people might enjoy this sort of programme every now and then for a little light relief?? One can only speculate as to what YOU do for that.........
<minifish_uk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 17:00:44 (GMT)

One day I might remember to put my name on the first post sorry!!
beth
- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 16:58:17 (GMT)

Ward staff
Personaly I don't mind mucking in during shift I find that they pass much quicker when your doing things, what I do object to is not being aloud to observe or particapate in new experences because and I qoute "were short staffed... I don't have time to let you do it...it will be easer if I do it...you have your own patient (who was sound asleep with both parents in and whos obs and drugs up to date)" all of these I have been told by ward staff when I asked to help or observe and when I gave up asking some staff nurses I was told that I don't ask to particapate enough.

- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 16:53:35 (GMT)

Thanks Claire!!!
Thanks for the reply Claire. The reason I asked that question is, like you i'm in my final year, and my current placement is using me to cover staff shortages. The so called ward manager was convinced it was within her right to use students when they couldn't get staff. The whole point is i object to being used as an 'A' grade when i'm not getting paid to do it!!!

- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 15:32:19 (GMT)

Geez! Ward Manager, you'll never learn
To whoever the anonymous poster was, yes, we are supernumary to the end. To the Ward Manager, do you actually know what supernumary means? In my understanding (and as a final year student in the first supernumary cohort, I should know!), being supernumary means a few things (a) ward managers are not able to count us in the numbers and try to save money in not employing an A Grade that shift (b) we are entitled to follow a patient for procedures once in a while - a worthwhile thing, how else are you going to know what actually goes on off ward?! (c) it means we can work with a qualified member of staff to further our learning under supervision. Now, I don't know about you Ward Manager, but surely this is a good thing? I personally take 7 patients on my own per shift, with the supervision of the shift leader. I am responsible for all their care needs and generally only need input from staff when meds are required. 99.9% of students from my uni are the same, not al isolated case. You say you want nurses, great! If you treat them well whilst they are on your ward and NURTURE their skills, they will come flying back to you, but I personally will not be used by anyone as "another pair of hands" and you shouldn't think of us that way, afterall, if anything goes wrong, it all falls on your head, not ours ;-)
Claire
- Tuesday, November 13, 2001 at 00:08:47 (GMT)

Supernumerary!
All this tosh about superumeray. The students who get the best reports from my ward are those who, GET ON WITH IT AND MUCK IN. I don't want bimbos or nancy boys who just stand and watch the rest of us struggle. I want nurses, (that is what you want to be, isn't it?) The place for nurses to learn is ON THE WARD not sittig on their arse listening to some naff so-called tutor calling PATIENTS, CLIENTS. You all know it, and we all know it, that the main reason that the drop-out figure is so high is because collages are USELESS at training nurses. Everyone knows the true reason a nurse becomes a tutor is because they were crap at being a nurse.
Ward Manager.
- Monday, November 12, 2001 at 22:32:35 (GMT)

Serious Question
I would be greatful if any students out there could answer me this.....Are students always supernumerary during training?

- Monday, November 12, 2001 at 21:34:48 (GMT)

HMMN
testing!

- Monday, November 12, 2001 at 21:31:02 (GMT)

Student nurses are perhaps fed up of having the piss taken out of them already
Carolyn, I guess you have missed the point so perhaps I can speak up for those keeping silent - no one appears to want to be filmed getting legless so you idiots can pretend it's what the public wants. What exactly is the point of this program? Certainly not to highlight the pitiful state of affairs that causes a drop out rate of 20% or more for students who can barely eek out an existance being treated as neither students or workers - Hey that would make an interesting program. The government spent a huge amount of money on advertising to get people interested in nursing and then treat them like shite like they do the rest of the health service and wonder why nursing are leaving in droves. If your desperate why not do a fly-on-the-wall documentary about a TV producer who can't come up with an original and entertaining idea getting humiliated by her bosses for being such a gormless prat!
DaveRGN <davergn@hotmail.com>
- Monday, November 12, 2001 at 21:30:14 (GMT)

get a life Carolyn

- Monday, November 12, 2001 at 21:11:55 (GMT)

NO-one wants to be on TV then?
I'm presuming there is no-one in London and Newcastle areas that are up for being filmed on a night out then? No time to party what with all the study and lack of funds huh? Well that's not the story I've been told!!!!!!!
Carolyn <carolynlove@granadamedia.com>
- Monday, November 12, 2001 at 17:20:13 (GMT)

Definately
I would definately be a lap dancer or a stripper if I had the figure, unfortunately at 36 after 2 kids and a stomach like a deflated balloon run over by a train, I am probably ruled out and over the hill!!!!
Anita
- Monday, November 12, 2001 at 16:50:16 (GMT)

yeh would probably make more money as a lap dancer...just think you wouldn't have to do 13 hour shifts!!

- Sunday, November 11, 2001 at 21:09:33 (GMT)

might jack nursing in and be a lap dancer. Some girl in the paper did and earned a fortune!!!!

- Sunday, November 11, 2001 at 16:58:03 (GMT)

Show us yer bum!
Wow!!!!! £25 per hour to get your kit off!!! Just point me in the direction and I'm there folks (peeling clothes off as I type).
Sassy
- Sunday, November 11, 2001 at 15:13:17 (GMT)

I am a nosey parker!
Dear Emma. How much do you get paid to take your kit off for artist. The reason that I ask is our local art class pay the male/female models £25 per hour, is this the normal rate, or are we being ripped off? Thank you.
Dr mojett
- Sunday, November 11, 2001 at 10:25:31 (GMT)

Don't tell the others!
Whilst on a resent placement the ward manager asked "do you work anywhere else?" I replied "yes, i life model for a local art group, it's pays well". With that he went bright red and said, "Don't tell the others, but i am a member of that group! It was now my turn to go very red. It's funny really, i have no prolem stripping off to model for artist, as long as i don't know anyone there. Does that make sence?
Emma
- Saturday, November 10, 2001 at 17:49:43 (GMT)

Pepsiokay Intake Info
I have the NMAS applicant handbook in front of me and there are loads of Jan/Feb intakes available to you on full-time degree or advanced diploma. Here is a list for your perusal:Bournmouth Uni (adult) Uni of the WEst of England, Bristol (M health, Adult & Child), Buckinghamshire Uni (Adult), Chester (Adult, M Health, L Disability & Child) City Uni (Adult, M Health & Child), Coventry Uni (Adult & M Health), De Montfort Uni (RM, Adult M Health & Child),Uni of Greenwich (Adult & M Health), Uni of Hertfordshire (Adult M Health & L Disability), Homerton College, Cambridge (L Disability), Uni of Huddersfield (Adult & M Health), Uni of Hull (Adult, M Health & Child), Keele Uni (All) Uni of Leeds (Adult, M Health, Child), Uni of Luton (Adult& M Health), Uni of Northampton (All),South Bank Uni (Adult & Child), Staffordshire Uni (Adult & Child), Suffolk College (Adult & M Health),Uni of Surrey ( Adult & M Health), Uni of Teesside (All) and finally the Uni College Worcester (Adult & M Health). I hope this will be of some use to you in your search.
Ali
- Saturday, November 10, 2001 at 15:04:44 (GMT)

Any sugar daddies out there????

- Friday, November 09, 2001 at 18:35:56 (GMT)

Need help
I am a neonatal nurse, in Thailand. I have worked for 9 months since I graduated. I would like to learn in the MA (health) or nursing informatic. I really have only the payment for my living in Uk. I need someone to support me in the course fee. I have been tough seriously for a month. Why the rich people can apply and do anything in abord? Why do not have chance for someone that have knowledge and intention in studying?. If anyone can suggest me please, Please suggest .. nualanong@calvin.coe.psu.ac.th
Nualanong <nualanong@calvin.coe.psu.ac.th>
- Friday, November 09, 2001 at 05:27:42 (GMT)

Re: Bloody outraged
*breathes a sigh of relief* I was going to be doing my elective at Hairmyers "fabby" new A&E department, primerally cause it's by my old house and mumsy ;) Just in the nick of time, someone else came in and told me not to go there as everything has gone to pot. I hadn't heard they were working for no pay, but I know the refurbishments went seriously overbudget and ain't finished yet! With a bit of luck, the Scottish Parliament will step in, but I won't hold my breath. *feels lucky to be staying in London for now, even if it is on a bursary*
Claire
- Friday, November 09, 2001 at 02:17:10 (GMT)

Bored
I have decided that when we have sweat blood over essays then handed them in, we get ill!!!! Well I do anyway, I really did work hard over 2 essays, handed them in with a sense of relief, since then I have been off sick for 3 days, feel rotten, went into placement today, district nurse felt sorry for me and sent me home at lunchtime - has it's advantages then I suppose. Fancied going out for a drink tonight but mother won't babysit - so am here in front of Emmerdale, oh well, Peak Practice is on later - what a boring life I lead!!
Anita
- Thursday, November 08, 2001 at 19:17:58 (GMT)

PRIVATE FINANCE HOSPITAL - WORK FOR FREE
According to the Scottish Daily Express (and British Nursing News Online) this morning, lucky nurses at Hairmyres in Scotland are being asked to work for no pay at weekends....perhaps they should be getting bursaries too....what's the RCN and/or Unison bothering to do about any of this?
Bloody Outraged
- Thursday, November 08, 2001 at 12:23:45 (GMT)

student bursary/child poverty/wealth distribution
I think that Fishhoek failed to read my two emails correctly. I clearly said that the Government should reconsider how much it spends on the NHS and student nurses. I made it plain enough that the bursary should be increased for all of us. Someone else sent an email and said that arn't there other important issues like child poverty. Of course there are! We shouldn't look at the problem and think well should we channel money into this area where it is needed or to that area. It is an issue of wealth distribution. Is it more important to spend billions on war or should we spend it on welfare? Isn't it better to allocate more of our nations wealth towards increasing pensions, improving public transport, tackling child poverty and improving our education system than to spend it on cruise missiles. Is it more important to reward company directors with huge handouts and lucrative share deals or to tax that wealth heavily to improve our NHS and stop people from slipping below the poverty line. This is a wealthy country. The problem lies in wealth distribution and the will of people to change this situation.
Richard
- Wednesday, November 07, 2001 at 10:39:55 (GMT)

Gutted we're not doing Scotland now!

- Wednesday, November 07, 2001 at 10:34:50 (GMT)

Its hardly like were tea total at least not in Scotland (that's if my old flatmates were anything to go by she could have a whole years worth of program out of their drunken antics.)

- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 19:31:16 (GMT)

Granada
Unfortunately we students rarely have the time or money to go out on the piss - any spare time we have is spent working - if you want to make a documentary about student nurses you could take it from the poverty angle, not to mention the stress and lack of holidays like other students!!

- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 19:28:07 (GMT)

For goodness sake - what do you take us for?

- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 19:15:01 (GMT)

Party animals in Newcastle or London
Ever fancied being on television? After, medically slogging away, how do you unwind? Well, if it is after one or six(teen) tequillas and you know how to have a good time, WE want to hear from you! We want to follow a group of nurses on a night out, from beginning to drunken end. If you fit the bill and party in the areas mentioned then give me a call on 0207 261 3701. Look forward to hearing from you.
Carolyn <carolyn.love@granadamedia.com>
- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 17:23:32 (GMT)

I meant to say napier sorry my finggers got carryed away.

- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 16:58:44 (GMT)

PEPSI
naupier uni in edinburgh has a feb intake and does all branches at diploma (don't know about degree or of their is places left for next year)

- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 16:54:51 (GMT)

Roper Logan and Tierney have their own books out but I used the Nursing Models and Nursing Practice book by P Aggleton and H Chalmers, this has a bit about their past, well only one page but it might be useful. Good luck
Anita
- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 16:46:38 (GMT)

first essay nightmare
I have just recieved mt first essay on a nursing theorist and have decided to do it on Roper-Logan-Tierney nursing models, but i find it very hard to get information into their backgrounds. Can anyone help
eve <abuttl01@oxygen.ie>
- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 11:34:21 (GMT)

help me get away from portsmouth
does anyone no of a uni that has a jan/feb intake this year. itmust be full time course and pref. the degree or advanced diploma, if you can help please mail me at pepsiokay@hotmail.com
pepsi <pepsiokay@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 00:42:26 (GMT)

Maternal/Newborn Conceptual Model
I'm wondering which is the best conceptual model to write a paper on, pertaining to a maternal/newborn in-patient hospital Unit. Any suggestions?
Geri
- Monday, November 05, 2001 at 23:37:52 (GMT)

oversea's bursary!
Claire - i see your point, if i was in the same situation i'd be flocking to the UK to to take advantage of the bursary system, however this doesn't mean we should try and facillitate this - even if this temporarily helps with our nursing shortages - not while there are so many people in this country that with the right support could be trained instead. I might sound terribly discharitable but its not that i begrudge this country giving charity but personally i'd much rather see the money spent on foreign student nurses spent on the children we currently see pictures of on the brink of death with no food, shelter or medicine in some flooded peice of no mans land in Afghanistan or even resources to train nurses in such regions.

- Sunday, November 04, 2001 at 17:25:23 (GMT)

Richard - if the government followed your 'student financial equality for all' line of thinking, the government would have to provide all foreign students 'who take the same course and sit the same exams' as you say - the same financial support - tution fee's and loans. - why the hell should we, you might consider us a rich country but you seem to fail to realise that we might consider a better use of resources to be eliminating our widespread child poverty first!

- Sunday, November 04, 2001 at 17:10:00 (GMT)

Interview
In reply to the person waiting for an invitation for an interview. I sent my application on 1st September 2001,which as I understand it was the first day of the 2002 intake application process. I applied to 4 colleges all in London. I have not heard from the other 3 yet. I also applied for the 2001 intake,but not untill June this year. All 4 came back course full. Best regards Col
Col <cos.cws@virgin.net>
- Sunday, November 04, 2001 at 11:23:25 (GMT)

i have just finished my very last essay. It is a huge relief. I can't believe how much of my life has been dominated by coursework. Any one who is embarking on the course or who is just starting..it goes so quickly, hang on in there because before you know it the end will be in sight.
claire
- Saturday, November 03, 2001 at 19:40:29 (GMT)

How come you got an interview already? When did you send your application off? Just interested.... and waiting for an interview invitation myself....

- Saturday, November 03, 2001 at 18:41:30 (GMT)

Help
Sorry to interupt the debates. Having followed this board with interest for some time I'm afraid I am still applying for a place on the diploma course. Infact I have an interview at SBU next week. I would love to hear from anyone who can clue me in about what to expect. What the uni interviewers are looking for etc. If anyone doing the diploma at SBU wants to let me know what it's like I'm going to love you for ever. I read a QAA report which suggested that they fell down badly on student support on this course, but the report is a couple of years old, perhaps they got it sorted. (or not) I know you are busy guys but if anyone can spare a moment to help poor old bloke. I think you're all great. Many Thanks Col
Col <cos.cws@virgin.net>
- Saturday, November 03, 2001 at 17:28:53 (GMT)

Overseas Bursary
Richard et al, shouldn't we be fighting for a reasonable bursary for all? not just overseas students. Or am I wrong in believing that many nursing students have to drop out due to financial hardship? We do not qualify for the childcare package but if we were reading "The history of Art" or some such worthy subject we would qualify! Lets rather fight like musketeers- one for all and all for one!
<fishhoek@sniffout.com>
- Friday, November 02, 2001 at 20:05:02 (GMT)

We need overseas students training in the NHS and being paid the same as other students. If the bursary for overseas students is taken away it will threaten the multicultural status of the NHS. An NHS which is not multicultural fails our society. The most important thing we have to do in the next few months is to fight this issue. Student nurses and health care workers should fight for overseas students and their right to receive equal status. The bursary should not be taken away from them.
richard <equality for student nurses from overseas>
- Friday, November 02, 2001 at 17:48:43 (GMT)

bursaries for overseas students
we need to have equality within student nursing.If you are doing the same course and write the same assignments and sit the same exams you should be paid the same regardless of where you come from. The argument should be not about how much money overseas students cost us but about the wider issue of how much money the Government gives to students and to the NHS as a whole. The money given to overseas students as a whole is a tiny amont for us. We are the fourth richest country in the world and we can easily afford to pay overseas students a decent bursary. What we should be arguing for is a saliaried wage for all students.
richard
- Friday, November 02, 2001 at 17:34:12 (GMT)

actualy your close ive got disprixia which is kind of like dislexia and for your information i'm much more careful when i do notes on the wards i dident realised you had to be perfect to post on this site. thank you whoever it was that stood up for me earler
beth
- Friday, November 02, 2001 at 15:38:18 (GMT)

I quite agree with Claire
Anita
- Friday, November 02, 2001 at 15:15:46 (GMT)

Foreign bursaries
I never actually said that foreign nurses were doing the NHS a favour. My bone is a bit of a personal one - I was basically describing the people on my course who are from the US and chose not so stay in the US to train (it personally costs them about $15,000 minimum)... basically, these people read about the NHS bursaries and decided to train over here, knowing that when they went back after qualification, they would be funded to do a convertion course. That kind of use of the system I disagree with, hence my suggestion of a contractual obligation to the NHS, I am not saying that training someone saves us money - afterall, all students are supernumerary now anyhow! And yes, if you have a good training system in your own country, for god sakes stay there, you can always come here after.
claire
- Friday, November 02, 2001 at 01:59:44 (GMT)

oversea's students
I disagree totally that foreign students should be funded as long as they are contracted to work for the NHS afterwards, many who come here don't intend to leave anyway and a contracted period of employment would just facillitate this. I agree the NHS is short of nurses and at times 'qualified' foreign nurses do us a great favour by coming here and temporarily filling in the gap (i have worked with a few of these nurses and have always highly admired their skills and proffesionalism)however in the long term shouldn't we be aiming to build our nursing workforce from home grown talent giving opportunities to the many people in this country who would love to train - at the moment many are effectively excluded from nurse training or find they have to delay starting for a few year, people that would have made great nurses ending up on benefits or in menial jobs due to the inadequate bursary, fussy academic demands or the sheer inflexibility of most of the courses.

- Thursday, November 01, 2001 at 21:26:59 (GMT)

thanks anita!
ange
- Thursday, November 01, 2001 at 18:52:30 (GMT)

You tell 'em ange!!
Anita
- Thursday, November 01, 2001 at 15:38:04 (GMT)

to anon
would you mind clarifying what you are on about. I do not have the inclination to waste time reading patronising postings that bear no meaning. Either spit it out or shut up.
ange
- Thursday, November 01, 2001 at 14:54:32 (GMT)

Oversea's students
In a utopia we would have the resources to train the worlds nurses and let everyone come to this country to live and work however there are plenty of British people who would love to train as nurses but cannot afford to and many who have had to leave the course due to financial reasons, if a student comes to this country from a country with no opportunities for training as a nurse and then goes straight home then good for them and we are doing a charitable service to that individual and their country, however Mauritius offers a three year government funded quality nurse training programme so why should someone from Mauritius expect to be able to come here and recieve thousands of pounds worth of british government money - student nurses may work hard but i disagree that oversea's student nurses who we fund train here are doing the NHS a favour, it'd be much cheaper just to employ a healthcare assistant for three years, think not only how much the NHS pays to universities to train us and then how much of qualified nurses time is spent teaching and supervising student nurses for the 18 months (total) they spend on clinical placements.

- Thursday, November 01, 2001 at 12:37:25 (GMT)

re: student bursary
I agree, then again, there are at least 10 foreign (Western) students in my cohort who came to England to train as they could not afford it in their own countries - all of whom are planning to travel back to their home countries to convert the qualification through government subsidies! I am all for bursaried education for all students, no matter where they came from, but I think the answer to the problem may be for all students to be contracted to the NHS for a minumum period (as medics are), that way we can avoid people trying to save some money by coming here ;-)
Claire
- Thursday, November 01, 2001 at 00:48:11 (GMT)

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