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Brit nurse been out of uk "forever"
Is there a Bill of rights in uk for patients? what is a NVQ?
rosalind ann <jerrostodd@aol.com>
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 23:34:12 (GMT)
How's the rookie doing
How's Donna doing now after the advice from the veterans?
Got the T shirt too
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 23:20:35 (GMT)
NUS National Demonstration
A small group of us from the University of Plymouth went to the NUS demo a couple of weeks ago. It was great to see other students who had made the effort to come down to make a stand against student hardship although the only nursing union that had a presence was Unison. I remember a couple of ANS/RCN reps at the beginning of the month saying how they were going to have a meeting to discuss what they were going to do - does anyone know what was decided? I don't pretend to be anything other than a Unison rep but I was hoping that perhaps we could begin to work together.
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:55:19 (GMT)
Well Done!!!
Those students in London who decided that standing together was more important than focusing upon our minor differences shows what we can acheive as a profession to make sure the health service has the nurses and midwives it needs to be able to give patients the care they deserve. Student hardship is still top of the agenda within our profession even though some still choose to do nothing.
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:44:39 (GMT)
NURSING STUDENTS WIN VICTORY
One hundred Nursing Students living in East London are celebrating victory after a hard fought campaign to stop their imminent eviction. The Department of Health stepped into the dispute to ensure that Nursing students can stay in the home for at least another two years and that security improvements will be made to the home. UNISON Nursing Students won the support of local MP Jim Fitzpatrick as well as Mayor Ken Livingstone. They took part in the UNISON "Sleep Out" outside the Department of Health, Whitehall in freezing conditions, joined the NUS march through the capital, started a UNISON organised ballot on strike action, and even appeared on BBC's Kilroy to highlight their plight It shows what can be done at a local level if you are willing to stand up for your rights - Dignity & Respect Alice Dawnay UNISON Nursing Student Officer
Alice Dawnay <aliced@unison.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 13:47:05 (GMT)
Ange, no I am in Uni of Bucks!
Lynette
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:12:03 (GMT)
Studying
How you study and how you do assignments is a personal thing. Your either one of these people who manage to do their essays months in advance or like me, your a last minute-jobby person. Just remember, nobody cares about your marks you just need the pass, because essay marks are irrelavant when your qualified. Nobody asked me in myinterview "What did you get for the NUR 202 essay?"
Robin <JuJuHobbes@Hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 12:48:43 (GMT)
Advice from a battle scarred old veteran!
Having made it most of the way through my three year training My advice is dont let it get you down. It is important that you make time for yourself in amongst all that study and family stuff. My advice with the assignments is start at least one as soon as possible this does make you feel better and it does help you get your life into somesort of order. The key to not feeling overwhelmed ive found is simply by taking each week as it comes. Decide what you are going to do this week and do it. If that is assignment great if not no worries. But dont worry about things until they happen. By doing a weekly plan you are able to say this week ill mostly be doin assignments (sounds like a Fast Show sketch doesnt it!) The biggest advice is if you get into serious bother tell one of your tutors they are usually quite good at arranging extra time etc Sorry if this sounds a little to pat and glib. Hope it helps
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:46:59 (GMT)
I started my training in June and I know what you mean. I have kids and also work 16 hours a week and at first it is really overwhelming but I have just started module 2 and honestly things do start to come together and make sense. I think that if you give it time you will be ok! I have to rely on my mum a lot to do the school run etc but this module is better than the last one.
Anita
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:40:58 (GMT)
Coping with study - whimpy student requires advice!
I'm wondering if anybody can offer me any advice on how to cope with the next 8 terms of study? I am sudying the 'new' RNDipHe (adult branch) course which is being piloted in 6 universities in the UK. I'm into my eighth week of training and have had 1 exam, 2 presentations, I am working on a Key Skills Diary with about 20 tasks to complete (I've got 5 tasks to go), I've another exam on Thursday and a 1000 word essay on communication to complete before Friday. I start my first placement (of 7 weeks) beginning in the ninth week and another reflective essay of 1000 words to be completed before the end of the twelfth week. Add to this a liberal sprinkling of 2 young children who won't go to sleep before 10pm, one of whom wakes-up at least 3 times a night, and a husband who works long hours. Please don't get me wrong - I know this is a hard course for anybody and I'm not saying that I have it any harder than any other student - I would just like to know how the rest of you cope and fit it all in. I am absolutely loving the course and know that I will be a good nurse. I never expected this to be easy. Is this feeling of being overwhelmed, normal at the start? The tutors advise us to make a study timetable, but those with children will know that families simply don't run to timetables, and I only have the dining room table, (which is part of the living room), to study from. I will be grateful for any tips from those of you who are there/been there, got the t-shirt etc. Thankyou for listening to me 'whinge', and I hope you can help before my colleagues on the mental health branch section me!!! Only joking... thanks again,
Donna <d-carey@cwcom.net>
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 01:06:41 (GMT)
A Message for the 'few'
Never in the field of human healthcare, has so much, been owed, by so many to so few. We Shall treat them in the hospitals, we shall treat them in the nursing homes, we shall treat them wherever they may be, and yet we will never, surrender!
Winston Churchill <Winnie@thepearly_gates.com>
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 00:06:35 (GMT)
SLEEPOUTS
Are there any more planned between now and Xmas, does anyone have a complete picture on dates and places?
jb
- Saturday, November 25, 2000 at 10:22:21 (GMT)
Case Study
Hi Ange as an oldie I will presume to give some advice on researching, collating and setting out you case study 1)read the college guidance notes carefully 2)Ask around the students ahead of you to see if you can look at the Case Studies (perhaps some one you have done a placement with) 3)You could approach you Tutor to ask exactly what the College is looking for in this particullar study (its allowed and sensible to do) 4)As one of you student friends advised it you make an assertion it should be referenced ?HAVARD style if that is the form used at your college 5)Choose a simple subject and write it well rather than be over ambitious writing on something complicated remember that it has to be marked and Tutors are not happy if the have to research your subject to mark it (Tutors dont know everything!!) Finally the best of luck Case Studies are an important insight into the way that the nurse percieves the patient and their condition and the outcomes of care
Reynagh
- Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 22:53:22 (GMT)
Thanks!
thanks lynette and Kris for your tips! One day I will actually get down to writing it? Lynette, by any chance do you attend the uni of central lancs?
ange
- Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 18:33:45 (GMT)
wot?
Lynette
- Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 23:28:19 (GMT)
Grateful
As a lapsed Catholic I am particularly grateful that His Holines has taken time out from his role as Gods priest on Earth to drop us all a line.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 22:41:46 (GMT)
Amen.
Amen,amen,amen,bless you all. My son's. My daughter's.My patients. My students. My Doctors.My whole nursing world.My cat. My dog and My rear end, and anyone else who you would like to bless. Bless them all. NOW WILL YOU GROW UP?????????Please.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 21:47:14 (GMT)
PAPAL VISIT
Just for the record, The Pope was the 15,140th visitor to this website.
Webmaster
- Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 01:40:36 (GMT)
RE: Nursing Times
Immensely useful tip, or is that emminence-ly useful your holiness?
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 23:34:54 (GMT)
A message from the Pope
This is a call for peace. Please my children, do not fight among each other, instead do as St Micheal did and turn the other cheek. Work together to achieve all that you can and forgive those who are obviously brain dead. Led each other not into conflict, but deliver each other from evil (or Christine Hancock as we call Beelzebub). For thine is the bedpan and the call bell for ever and ever (or until you qualify) AMEN (PS The big fella up stairs says sort it out otherwise he will smite you with much anger and smiting things)
His Holiness the Pope <thepope@vatican_city.com>
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 22:17:15 (GMT)
Patient care study
Ange try Nursing Times Feb 24 2000 volume 96, no 8. Its part of a three part series on Neck of femur fractures but it does give a good base for planning your own care study as it goes through the care of a patient from admission to discharge. The things that one of my tutors told me to put in included What tool were they assesed with and why? Was it effective/appropriate? Was the care deliverd with Evidence based practice or was it ritual? Were the patients needs met? Was the care delivered in line with the ward rationale? in conclusion did the patient enjoy there stay!!! One thing we were told is that we had to prove everything so be carefull when you make a statement. Hope this helps.
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 22:09:32 (GMT)
I agree with you Mike, I do actually not bother to post anything when such nonsense is written. I have got irritated in the past by some people and I often get annoid with myself by getting rise to it. Mind you I do get upset by the circumstances that we are in and sadly these people who put these silly postings in often provide an excuse to vent spleen which I personally find quite healthy seen as the Government are'nt listening.... Ange, I am doing an care study too...we have been told to take down info. about the patient, like what their medical problem is, then list the actual and potential nursing rpoblems and create care plans...I don't know if this helps it is what we are doing!!!
Lynette <lynettecmorgan@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 20:15:43 (GMT)
Ignore them.
Why don't some of you GROW UP. On this forum one could call themselves the Pope, and some of you would actually belive that his holiness had decided to put his two-penny-worth in. He/she who said that they are a unison rep are just winding you up, and you are just mad enough to belive it. If anyone wants to be "anon" with their comment, the chances are that they are not genuine. Just ignore them and they might go away.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 18:30:37 (GMT)
Unison Rep
To the unison rep, if you are, who we all think you are, haven`t you already worked for an agency? If you are the culprit then you have alot of cheek to say these things, everyone is on the same boat people work for agencies not because the can`t get a proper job, but because this is all that is on offer to them, why don`t you think through the facts before you jump o conclusions!!!
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 13:27:14 (GMT)
nursing concepts
can anyone tell the best place to find out about presence and reassurance, ie journals, books, etc, etc,
warren b <nikkib@warrenb46.freeserve.co.uk>
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 09:07:17 (GMT)
Care studies :-(
Does anyone have any tips on writing a patient care study? Please help!
ange <ange.chris@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, November 20, 2000 at 22:35:23 (GMT)
Radio 4 tonight
On radio 4 tonight. 8pm. It was about staff shortage of nurses in the NHS. A consultant cardiologist, from southampton hospital said he felt that "where things went wrong in the NHS was 10 years ago when a new style of training started". He went on to say that he felt that there are those who would make "very good nurses" but who haven't got the right number of GCSEs. He said "Not every nurse should need a diploma or a degree". "Those who have one, fine, they could go on to a higher level". "But we have a lot of people in the NHS who would, and indeed do, make very good nurses but they lack a diploma or degree" "They should be recognised for what they do" I think he meant HCAs. If he did I think it would be better to agree with him, than import all these nurses from aroud the world.
Jane
- Monday, November 20, 2000 at 22:26:38 (GMT)
Unison.
I am a Unison rep/equality officer and i am proud to play a active part in the biggest public sector union in europe. I do not think that the person who says he is "anon unison rep" is for real. All the ones that i have met are fair minded and decent. He does not sound like any of these. He would also know that 86% of NHS nurses have, at some time or other worked for an agency, he would also know that nearly all NHS Trust use agency staff. Thank god that they do, because without them i dread you think what life on the wards would be like.
Mike <mikehodd@lineone.net>
- Monday, November 20, 2000 at 18:59:50 (GMT)
Agency Hysteria
Agency staff provide a valuable resource and they are exactly the same as bank staff no worse no better. there does seem to be a lot of hysteria attached to this issue. Nursing agencies were set up because the NHS had trouble finding staff of any type. Many of the reasons why people left the NHS are still there so how does Our Briliant Leader the RT Horrible Tony Blair propose to sort out these problems? I dont work for an agency, i dont work for the nursing bank either, but as a student i have worked with both and as far as i can see the only difference between the two is that one gets paid more. So well done to them!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Monday, November 20, 2000 at 18:10:16 (GMT)
Thanks for the tip, Dave! :-)
ange
- Monday, November 20, 2000 at 10:19:10 (GMT)
TO UNISON REP
The problem with Unison is that you ALWAYS come up with the knee-jerk reaction to everything, then you rely on your sheer nuisance value and bloody-mindedness to wear down everybody else and their opinions. Now it seems you're not even willing to identify yourself. Well, to hell with unison.
Student Rep (Anon too)
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 23:03:48 (GMT)
Can this get any more exasperating?
Nothing worse than not having the spell checker handy!!...... :-)
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 22:40:47 (GMT)
damn, I meant exacberrating!
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 22:09:33 (GMT)
and I havent finished yet......
This is especially exaceberating as I ended up gaining full time hours on the agency, working for the ward I originally applied for. If the NHS paid a decent wage they wouldnt have to employ agencies, paying up to three times more for staff. Someone in management hasnt got two brain cells to rub together........
ange
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 22:08:10 (GMT)
CRAP
mr unison rep, you write suchhhhh shite! Agency staff do not undertake this type of work as they are unable to find permanent employment. It is simply a fact of better pay. During my training I applied for a part time care assistant position at a local hospital, only to turn it down when I was offered the minimum wage for my efforts. I went to a reputable agency who were prepared to pay me a minimum of double this amount for the same work. So, its not difficult to work out why so many nurses/care staff prefer agency work is it?
ange
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 22:05:05 (GMT)
Apologies
I apologies for taking up a lot of space recently but I feel that this is an important issue that will effect students. If there are even more shortages on the wards caused by Blair's attempts to cut out private agencies understanding the processes involved will allow you to raise your own concerns appropriately. The good thing about an open forum like this is that you get the chance to make your own judgement calls without being told what to think. Having said that I am going to take this thread over to the Nursing Portal chat area www.nursing-portal.com and if the guys that look after this site are reading this they could maybe start a new poll topic on this subject?
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 11:22:07 (GMT)
Well thought out and researched sarcasm
Hey Ian.... who are you calling a bully :-)Carry on like that and I'll smack your legs!! Union Rep Man....I'm glad the sarcasm didn't pass you by pity - that the content of the message itself appears to have. Try ignoring the sarcasm and reading the actual message. If you have an argument (and I'm still waiting for evidence of this) lay it out in a logical fashion and where you quote facts back them up with evidence. I am an agency nurse and am happy to stand up and be counted. I have a much better deal than if I was working for a hospital. Wouldn't any agencies except you on their books because you didn't have sufficient recent clinical experience?
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 11:12:46 (GMT)
Union Rep Give it Up
I can hardly believe you can call yourself a union rep. Union reps i have know have been proud to stand up and be counted. Poor little John is afraid he may receive some nasty E'mails, from some horid horid nasty big agency bullies, which would so upset him poor thing. Thank God you arnt my union rep.
Ian Robarts <idrobs@talk21.com>
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 10:02:38 (GMT)
SARCASM
The hostilty and sarcasm of the last posting has not gone unoticed by me. WHY ARE YOU APOLOGISING SO MUCH FOR AGENCIES WITH SO-CALLED REASONS FOR DOING AGENCY WORK? Agency has caused a lot of the shortages we all have to live with evry day.
Unison rep
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 02:59:19 (GMT)
hey danny bryant
i think you are felicity re-incarnate. i take it you are not project 2000,well let me tell you this, every nursing student who is practising today , is so, because they do not have a choice. if they want to nurse there is no other way of achieving this. yes the pay is crap and yes if you have a family its damn right hard going. bad practice....well this has nothing to do with us. i think i speak on behalf of eveyone else on this site when i say that the patient always comes first. why else would we want to come in to the profession? at least we can empathise with our patients "poor down trodden students" was merely a figure of speech to try and get a point across. The point being that every one is an individual. the blinkered view that felicity holds , surely is going to affect care that is given to her patients. By the way if you are not project 2000, it may be worth remembering that the student pay you recieved 11yrs or more ago, has increased by a few pounds and no more. i'll bet my life you found it hard in those days. i find it virtually impossible....but i carry on...why..because the patients need me...they deserve the care that i can offer....and niether you or anyone else could persuade me otherwise.
sue
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 02:47:47 (GMT)
Sounds like a well thought out and researched argument to me
Sorry Peggy the last message was for our mystery union man.
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 01:04:04 (GMT)
Sounds like a well thought out and researched argument to me
Seeing as you won't identify yourself I will give you the benefit of the doubt that the oversized chip on your shoulder comes from long hours of fighting management on behalf of your hardworking colleagues. Let me disect your previous message. You talk about facts but quote no source for this information. So lets look at the subjective statements to see if any hold water. Statement 1.There are lots of reasons why nurses become full time agency nurses. Better pay, more flexible hours, choice of places to work, fed up with ward politics, fed up with not being appreciated, being expected to work breaks for free. Statement 2.A lot of agencies nurses I have met are able to give more to a shift in terms of enthusiasm because they are not worn down by repeated problems faced from working on a ward with chronic problems. They can often see things with as fresh eye and are in a good position to share experiences and often come up with new ideas. Statement 3. Ownership would be good at this point but without knowing more about your circumstances I can't offer any specific suggestions. The root of the problem is inadequate funding. Statement 4. Try telling the agency nurse who is haemofiltrating the ventilated patient in ITU that she is just another pair of hands and see how far down the corridor you get.....
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 01:02:32 (GMT)
Nursing Agencies
I recall in the early 1970s, and I am sure that Ray and other RCN members also present at the meeting, (I think that it was in Bournemouth) can, the time when the student nurses attending the then RRB (Regional Representative Body), started walking out of the hall in protest about poor wages. They were demanding that Barbara Castle, the then S of S for Health, be summoned to hear the complaints about low pay. We were told that this was not possible but a compromise was sought and a deputation from the RCN met with her later in London. At the same time, a march from RCN HQ, down Oxford Street to a mass rally in Hyde Park, was organised. I know because I was there! The policeman walking beside me, (had a been singled out as a potential troublemaker I now wonder!) said that it was the best organised rally he had attended. The flower sellers in Oxford Street threw flowers from their stalls and shoppers cheered as we marched by. In Hyde Park it started to rain and we got soaking wet but remained undaunted, eagerly awaiting the report back from the deputation. Imagine our surprise when our representatives returned and informed us that if there was no appreciable pay rise that year, the RCN would advise us to resign on mass from the NHS. The College would then set up as an agency through which we would be re-employed. The students however were told that they could not do this as their training would be jepodised. The outcome was that we received a very appreciable pay rise that year! Perhaps the time has come for the RCN to reconsider taking this action? The spin off could be an end to nurses working unpaid overtime, higher wages, more family friendly policies, paid study leave, increased membership and an income for the College that would hopefully put an end to the yearly increase of our subscriptions. I look forward to reading the comments that will surely follow my recollection of how the RCN reacted to the subject of poor pay way back in the early 70s!
Peggy Pryer
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 00:43:53 (GMT)
I have good reason
not to give you my email. I have had abusive rubbish sent in the past, so this way I can say what the hell I like, and as long as it is true and to the point, you can take or lump it. I will not get into silly arguments with those who think that they know it all. When infact they know nothing, or at least what they do know, would not cover a postage stamp. Fact 1. Thoses who work full time on a agency, do so because they cannot get a PROPER job. Fact 2.Most agency staff have no sence of belonging to a ward, they just drift in and drift out as soon as they can. Fact 3. If the NHS is so better off, because of agency staff. Why has it become such a crap job, that nobody wants. Fact 4 Is it not a fact, that when a ward is short of staff, they ONLY call the agency as a last resort, A PAIR OF HANDS, would be fine, they don't really need the rest of you.
Unison Rep
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 00:26:45 (GMT)
Shy Union Rep what union rep
Why does the person calling himself, Unison rep not give his full name and E'mail address. Have the courage of your convictions, and show yourself. Yes your remarks are a bit silly but they have given us all a good laugh. According to you we should all go back to earning crap money like your members do. If your unions cant negotiate acceptable wages dont force others into poverty thanks.
Ian Robarts <idrobs@talk21.com>
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 22:29:28 (GMT)
Catch up with the plot
This is not the past and we cannot go back to it. Circumstances have changed. An ageing population combined with a shortfall of nurses is the biggest factor in our favour for negotiating better wages. At least working for an agency I get recognised financially for my worth. Would you suggest I work for the envisaged NHS pool and earn "a little more" (that hardly equates to overtime). If we had all been earning overtime instead of working for nothing by not taking breaks and working time in lieu do you think we would have been in a better situation than we are now. The reason that agencies flourish is that nursing is not an attractive job - poor pay and poor conditions. Add to that the sh**ty way we treat the students it's hardly surprising the NHS is in crisis.
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 22:11:08 (GMT)
Now, now. Don't start talking like prats.
We never used to have agency staff in the past, we had a thing called, OVERTIME. I expect most of you lot are too young to remember it. It was dear Maggie and her bent minsters who started to let all the leeches into the NHS. Knowing full well that when they (her bent men) were kiced out of office they would get a directorship on the board. When I say leeches I mean the private firms. Not thoses who work for them for extra money.
Unison Rep
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 21:38:31 (GMT)
Out of Touch
I have never read so much F****** crap in my life. The poor down trodden nursing students. Why don't you get a life or F*** off out of the profession and clean streets. These shitty nurses who are being 'trained' to continue to dangerous practices that exist now, a little status quo here. How about improving patient care.
Danny Bryant
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 18:46:53 (GMT)
ECOHR
I would imagine that several agencies will take such a ban to the European Court of Human Rights, under the restriction of practices, in preventing people in working as they choose to work. I would also point out to the Union rep, that it has been as a result of the pay that agencies offer to staff, that has forced NHS employers to raise wages to the levels we see today. Without agencies to compete with, NHS trusts will have no need to compete with any other employers, i.e agencies, and will be able to pay lower pay rises in future knowing that staff have no option but to accept the poor wages offered.
Ian Robarts <idrobs@talk21.com>
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 17:59:12 (GMT)
Dear John....
I always wanted to write a "Dear John" letter :-). Have you considered the practical improbabilities of what Blair has suggested. If all agencies are instantly banned who will pick up the pieces immediately. What pressure will there be for agency nurses to sign on for this new pool. They will only be paid "a little more". What will prevent all bank nurses swopping to work for the new bank thereby increasing existing costs. If the majority of hospitals cannot manage to run their own banks effectively who exactly is going to run a national pool of nurses? That's just for starters.....
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 17:12:22 (GMT)
Not for much longer Ian.
Tony Blair said just ten days ago, that all agency work in the NHS will be banned, because of the cost. The the extra staff will be employed from the NHS own pool of staff. I must say it is about time too.
Unison Rep John
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 16:43:49 (GMT)
Agency Work
I have worked as an agency ODP for several years now in a number of hospitals. Although i do sometimes have to travel for over an hour to the hospital, that has booked me,it is more often far less than an hours drive. My point is why dont all nurses and ODP's undertake agency work.
Ian Robarts <idrobs@talk21.com>
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 16:26:48 (GMT)
Felicity
I'd also like to know what you think nursing does stand for.
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 14:22:32 (GMT)
Felicity
That must of been a wind-up right? Or you've gotta be an adult nurse student, you'd be eaten alive in a mental health setting. Have you covered self-awareness yet? If you have and are still this unpleasant creature then why did you choose nursing?
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 14:17:19 (GMT)
felicity
i hope to f*** you dont ever have to nurse me! because quite frankly my dear you wouldnt have a clue about how to address any patients needs. you obviously dont live in the real world and as for the poor patients.....well if they're poor and stressed like the rest of us down trodden students, i doubt very much wether they would be worthy of a bed pan at 2AM in the morning..let alone their pain relief when theyre howling in pain. how, as a nurse will you help a patient who is homeless, suffering from alcoholism, under weight through lack of nutition and is infested with head lice?...dont tell me..you will delegate this to Health Care Support Worker!!!! because lets face it, you wouldnt have a clue, and i doubt very much that you would want to help anyway....some nurse you are going to make!
sue
- Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 00:00:46 (GMT)
PONIES AND MATRONS
Felicity, lucky you, but I think your view of the world is a tad unreal. Students do indeed come from all walks of life, and should reflect the society they serve. Your notion that somehow all should reflect your experience is frankly crass and insensitive. As a woman, would you have the right to vote if Emmeline. Sylvia and Christabel Pankhurst had not had the courage to go out and assertively challenge the status quo? What of Emily Dickinson, who gave her life under the Kings horse at the Derby for the cause of womens sufferage? Get real and thank the students who are prepared to say what hardship is about and those who are prepared, in ALL unions to sleep out, protest, campaign and fight for change.
ray rowden <ray@rolf99.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 23:17:38 (GMT)
reply to mark
If you keep going on like that mark,you'll get back into mental health alright........Section 2, at least.
Mike
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 22:56:45 (GMT)
pissed off!!
I am pissed off. I am so utterly pissed off with trying to get back into college to complete my RMN that I am giving it up as a bad job, and now, to add insult to fucking injury I have to complete NVQ level II before I can get my pay rise of 40p. So you lot, for Gods sake keep your heads above water if you can, and don't end up like me, an ex student nurse who passed the CFP, and finals, and who, thruogh no fault of his own, has fuck all to show for it but a poxy job as a care assistant for four quid an hour.Nurses love? I've shit 'em!!!
mark <slaterminnie@aol.com>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 22:36:52 (GMT)
Are you for real?
Felicity, are we on the same planet?! If student nurses were paid a decent amount whilst studying then the NHS would not be in the staffing situation that it is in now, but until they are it is us, the dedicated students (and yes, their families) who are prepared to make enormous financial sacrifices. If that makes me loopy, then Section me now!!!
Heather <Leheluja@aol.com>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 21:51:27 (GMT)
silver spoons all round?
Oh Felicity dear, how wonderful it must be to have the proverbial silver spoon in ones mouth!! If all those who couldn't afford to live on the bursary decided not to go ahead and train then the NHS would probably crumble altogether as no-one would apply. I'm sure that there aren't many of your kaliber that like to get their hands dirty!
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 21:43:41 (GMT)
F*****g b****y hell!!!!
sorry? wot fluffy cloud did you waft down from felicity? my dad died last year and I have had to help with fumeral cost and I have had to lead an inquiry into his death...because of bad nursing.....you have the poxy cheek to come out with that crap....how dare you you stupid little girl...you are telling me that I or my father were irresponsible for my financial position. do us a favour detach from your umbilical cord and find out what the real life is about because unless you work in the private sector you will find a lot of us irresponsible morons will be your patients...sorry paople but I am really wound up more so than that silly paranoid racist twat!
Lynette
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 21:14:21 (GMT)
Let them eat cake eh Felicity?
Ah, how very Mary Antoinette of you! If someone were to invent the 'care-ometer', we Brtit's would be of the scale compared to the money grubbing foreign types and new nurses eh? Stiff upper lipped and supercilious, we care more because are poorer and so ineffectual as to make chocolate fireguards seem positively inspired. The prescence of posh pony totty awaiting the right Reg., heading towards nannies and Range Rovers invariably undermines the rest. The idea that we are poor and disenfranchised by a no strike clause being a good thing shows how far nursing has come. Strange how the Jonny foreigner types seem to be better qualified and trained these days... Strange how they are better paid pro rata in most of the originating countries? Strange how they could see striking for the sake of nurses and patients as a good thing? Links, who could say eh? The main thing is that people bordering on the criminally narrow-minded still populate the profession and the prescence of Flo' is near. Perhaps we all will end up like her, post nervous breakdown staring at the walls from our beds. By the way, do ride or keep ponies?
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 20:12:57 (GMT)
Lifestyles of the rich and famous
Back Back I say That last post was a joke wasn't it? You in the front put that rope down before someone gets hurt.....
Dave <DaveRGN@hotmail.com>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 17:05:09 (GMT)
i like status quo!
I happen to like the fact we don't go on strike i think the public would see us in a very different light if we did. Unison have brought the proffession in to disrepute by all this student activity. Thank god RCN/ANS haven't gone down that road and have successfully lobbied Alan Milburn to keep things the way they are. I think the issue of finances and struggling is what happens when you let any old tom dick and harry in to the proffesion. Thankfully i come from a good family who have financially backed me and i haven't had to do other jobs and therefore "put patients lives at risk" I think if you can not afford to study then it is very irresponsible of you to embark on the course in the first place. So therefore stop moaning about the lack of money and the hell your kids are going through and become a health care assistant or something. And i think Carol Burns who suggests that the RCN should be bombed should be arrested. The RCN and ANS do an excellent job of protecting the proffesion and keeping the "whingers" union UNISON away from destroying all that Nursing stands for. Felicity Armstrong-McKenna
Felicity Armstrong -McKenna <j89g6@lu.ac.uk>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 16:56:01 (GMT)
The RCN "we are nurses we don't strike " brigade should get stuffed
The messages on not striking and sleepouts have made me soooo mad Just because we are nursing students does not mean we are F***ing saints. When are the RCN going to realise that we are not all rich kids who go on the marry the doctor and then come back to work for pin money whilst hubby pays fro the kids to be in private school? Nurses are leaving the proffession and at the moment the training is not at its best. I went on a sleepout because i want not just a good deal for myself but because i'm fed up with seeing the shit deal patients get due to understaffed wards and tired nurses who quite often are doing two jobs and thus putting patients lives in danger. Can someone please bomb the RCN. i am fed up with them holding the proffession back and the government using the RCN's Pathetic attempts to keeps the status quo from a hundred years ago or more to do little to pump more money in to the right areas. Grrrrrr, i am so wound up now Carol
Carol Burns <burns3@hotmail.com>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 16:44:21 (GMT)
Qualifying
I have just had to go back six months in my training because of a cock-up the university I am in made. I would like someone to tell me if my bursay will finish when I am meant to qualify which should have been February, or will it carry on till I now finish in June? Also to all those who were in a September intake and who are soon to qualify or who already have, what month are u actually finished (as i've heard I may have to do another transition). Many Thanx
Lisa <lsfg@handbag.com>
- Friday, November 17, 2000 at 15:02:58 (GMT)
Student Midwives &Midwives Forum
Someone wanted a forum for student midwives? Try Universityof SalfordMidwivesForum@egroups.com Just been launched for student midwives and Midwives drop in and have a chat. Good Luck To the student who wanted to be a Midwife and met a catastrophe of horrosrs in the flats. Take heart, not all situations are like that. Most Trusts INSIST Midwives either go out in two's or accompanied by an abmulance man or someother protective personnel. It's not all bad.
Marie Butler <M.Butler@salford.ac.uk>
- Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 21:54:25 (GMT)
At risk>
On a recent placement, the midwife that i was working with, asked if i would like to be called during the night, if she had a call out for a home birth. I agreed that it would be good experience. EXPERIENCE it was. At 03:15 she called at my house. We went to a flat on the 10th floor in a high-rise block. The lift was not working, so we had to use the urine soaked, NEEDLES from drug addicts were all over the place on the smelly stairs. Half way up we saw two men having sex on a landing. On a another, a women came running towards us, screaming her head off, being chased by a naked male. (we found out later,it was her husband.) When we got to the flat the women had been taken to the HOSPITAL by her partner. I found out later that the GPs have minders when they call, the POLICE go 4 at a time. Even the undertakes have police protection. I did want to be a midwife but not now. If i had not been with the midwife, she said her HUSBAND would have gone along and WAITED in the CAR. I BELIVE THAT IT IS A SCANDAL THAT MIDWIFE'S SHOULD BE PUT AT RISK LIKE THAT. WHAT ARE THE RCM DOING ABOUT IT.
Ann.
- Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 21:06:57 (GMT)
Attention seeking behaviour
Perhaps all diploma students could donate a months bursary and degree students an equivelent sum to "Children in Need". That would reinforce the fact that ALL nurses and student nurses are REALLY NICE and are not at all nasty strikers and protestors. It would also win over all the proper nurses who would recognise the qualities attached to blind self-deprivation and selfless if not cluesess devotion. Or we could go onto the wards where we work for poultry wages and add to our own misery and pathetic situation and work for free! SMASHING!! Double Prozacs all around.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 19:39:54 (GMT)
Just an Idea!
I somehow agree that sleeping out to gain publicity for the plight of student nurses in not such a good idea, particularly at this time of the year. What about all the nursing students who can possibly do so volunteering at a certain time and date throughout the country to go onto the wards to feed patients and other 'nursey' things? Hospitals beseiged with nursing students showing patients that they really care about them and the NHS! The government might then realise how pleasant life could be for both patients and staff if there were more than the usual limited numbers of nurses on the wards trying to do the impossible, certainly the patients would! As I said, just an idea.
- Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 16:16:00 (GMT)
Wrong Approach
Like my uni students are not intersted. We had the wrong approach, sleeping out and protesting in the streets does not work. We got shouted at when we suggested it to the students. Need to rethink.
Paul Hutton
- Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 14:47:46 (GMT)
Slapper Nurses
Nurses are such slags! and the contributions on this web site reinforce this notion of nurses as prostitutes. Now that comes as a surprise.
Reine Higgins
- Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 14:34:17 (GMT)
Oh Sally,
be careful,you will make Ms Observer jealous. I wish I worked on your ward. Fancy that, a ward manager who has a life outside of work. Good luck to girl.
Mike <Mikehodd@talk21.com>
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 23:15:38 (GMT)
Interesting Sally I wonder if my house husband would take up escorting???!!! me to very ++ happily married to a kind man
Lynette
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 21:11:49 (GMT)
Would you belive it!
My full time job.........Ward sister. 6ys. My part time Job.........Escort. 8yrs. To men or women. Pay NHS £24000.Escort £26000. Total per year £50,000 before tax. Homes. One in Spain. One in UK, all paid for. Children, 3, (who go to private school.) House Husband. 16 years, very happly married. It can pay very well NOT BEING A PRUDE.
Sally
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 21:01:51 (GMT)
sleep outs I mean
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 20:27:02 (GMT)
sorry
I know I do this everytime but I always forget something....I am sorry about the slepp outs I have wanted to attend every one of them but during the week is a night mare for me with three kids I will persue this protest and if ther eis a sleepout soon that effects me I will be involved but I have to say that today the students who marched against the tution fees got the press coverage that we need can someone with the knowledge in Unison think about a march?
Lynette <lynettecmorgan@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 20:26:27 (GMT)
Me thinks that yonder "observer" is in need of treatment from the mental health branch if there are any of you out there maybe you could reccomend a room under section three of the M.H. act? .. I don't want to know why that winds you up so much I can't imagine you have any decent arguments as to why you feel bothered...answer me one thing if you were in a RTA and needed urgent attention would you send a way a Nurse who likes the things that upset you?????
Lynette
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 20:21:26 (GMT)
Also........
Ms Anonymous probably has 2.4 children, a boring husband who's shagging his secretary, a lovely house with chintz furnishings who puts her make up on to take her kids to school in the morning. GET A LIFE LOVE!!!!
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 19:03:24 (GMT)
Loose Nurses??????
Well I'm a student nurse and a barmaid of 35 and I love a shag!!!! Casual sex (safe of course) is much better than having a man around full-time. I am choosy though, but if a guy takes my fancy, which isn't as often as I like, then I go for it. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT???? We all die in the end and I'd rather die knowing I'd had a good time and remained single, doing what I want, going where I want, when I want, without being answerable to anyone and without being deprived of the only thing that is free and extremely enjoyable!!
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 18:58:59 (GMT)
Ooops........
p.s. that last comment was for the attention of the 'observer' !!!!!
ange
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 17:55:18 (GMT)
narrow minded observer?!!
Seems to me like you're talking from experience - don't tar the rest of us with your brush thankyou very much. I suggest you quit writing such immature nonsense and grow up God help the nursing profession with 'people' like you around
ange
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 17:54:15 (GMT)
Sleep out... Disappointment
To all the students present at yesterday's demo, I say well done. I am a third year student about to qualify in 5 months. But I must admit that myself and many others were disappointed by the pathetic number of students present. Contrary to what Alice said, it seemed to me that there were no more than 60 students. It is really sad to see that so many student nurses, who constantly complain about the crap bursary and bad working conditions, aren't bothered to go out into the street when it comes to their future. Most of the students present at the sleep out were, like me, from City University. There are 2 intakes per year of about 200 students. In other words that at least 1200 student nurses at City. This means that 5% of the students have had the guts to go and make themselves heard. And I personally find that pathetic! So many of us are passive and apathetic, and it makes me sick... Thank God that there are still a few fighters out there.
Jean-Michel Burgess
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 17:03:57 (GMT)
Sleep out & Demo
The Sleep Out outside the Department of Health went well last night Tuesday 14th over one hundred UNISON nursing students from across London attend (as well as some from Plymouth) very, very cold but good media coverage. Even stopped the traffic in Whitehall during rush hour for a little while. A Department of Health senior nurse came out for a informative chat also support from London MP's. National NUS demo (today 15th November) UNISON nursing students took the front of this march about sixty nursing students present, many in uniform Lets keep the fight going we can win
Alice Dawnay
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 14:05:07 (GMT)
Well done
Well done and congratulations to all the student nurses who slept out last night. It was so cold in London last night! Hope those involved didnt suffer too much and lets hope you've got the powers to be to take notice............Well done again!!
India
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 11:23:26 (GMT)
Dear Observer.
Just because no one in their right mind would ask you to go bed with them, does not mean that those who do get the chance are slags. In recent research by the "we all wear tin nickers group" it was found that 98% of people would be bi if they had the chance. That is if they would not be found out. The other 2% were born with no genitalia.
Miles <Milescockling@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 11:16:13 (GMT)
A little bitter!!
Feeling a bit on the bitter said Mr/Ms anonymous...........been knocked back by a nurse or 2 in your time.........or did they in fact go to bed with you proving yourself correct............they will sleep with anyone. My message to you, just to save yourself from grevious personal injury in the future..........'keep your petty, pathetic small minded comments to yourself. Are'nt we being a little small minded here..............is it only female nurse who sleep around, are males not guilty...........are female teachers, doctors, barmaids, shop assistants and any other profession females enter, not guitly of the same or is it jsut nurses you have it in for and not the female gender as a whole!!! Please let us all know......we wait with baited breath as to whether you have more little gems tucked away to wow us all with or are you going to take my advice and keep it to yourself.........arse!!
India
- Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 11:13:06 (GMT)
Morals (or lack of them)
Well i was only saying that all female nurses are a little loose on their morals! Bed anything dont you know. Why do most female nursing students carry a matress on their back? In case they meet anyone they know!
An observer
- Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 21:44:47 (GMT)
P.S.
sorry, I have to say I am not keen on the person selling essays Mr webmaster sir!!!! reputations and all that............
Lynette
- Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 20:08:37 (GMT)
HELLO?
So sorry anon "attacking" Jane. I was really sad when I realised that I missed your ceromony they did not anounce that the post of almighty judgementlism had been filled by yourself. Next time you're re-ellected I'd like to celebrate.please don't hesitate to submit more comments of such a nature so that I can be aware of your status. oh and by the way if you're a nurse or a student nurse what do you do when you met patients who you feel don't fit in your category of normality?
Lynette
- Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 20:04:03 (GMT)
Siobhan, I don't think you have offended me but I am still looking for possible slanderous comments that might get my back up. ONLY JOKING. I have taken two exams in my first year and there are more to come but I don't know if any one else is not too! Anyway goodluck with the course glad you're enjoying it.
Lynette
- Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 19:50:43 (GMT)
Hi everyone, It's my first time using the site and so you could say i'm a virgin to all this. I only hope that this note does not cause anyone offence, due to the fact I have seen the come-backs. I am currently studying at Northumbria uni in Newcastle, 8 mths into the course and I happy to announce that I am enjoying it. Handed in my first two assignment last week and pray from now to December 1st that they at least achieve. My sister in studying in Sheffield and was horrified to hear that we no longer have to sit exams on specific subjects. Is this the case in most universities or is Northumbria an exception, would be greatful of any responce, until we talk again, God bless and Slan.
siobhan
- Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 16:55:17 (GMT)
Sleep Out 14th November
UNISON Nursing Student Sleep Out on ITV London Tonight 14th November - filmed all day today Rally 15th November See you on the streets - Keep fighting Alice Dawnay
Alice Dawnay
- Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 13:46:26 (GMT)
Judge no one.
My postings were not meant to be funny. Ms Anon. They are real life. Yes one could say that I feel "mixed up" at times and at a loss as to what I should do about certain things, that cause me concern. That is why I sought advice from my peer group on this forum. Nurses come from the society in which we all live and we are all of different background's. We ARE human you know. One of my tutors told us "don't judge a patient by colour,greed,sex,or lifestyle, just treat them as human beings". The same advice should apply to those who feel that they can look down on others and offer PRUDISH COMMENTS. Because they feel that they are something special.
Jane
- Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 11:31:06 (GMT)
Jane....booze and your sexuality
I think that you should take a long hard look at your postings..if they are supposedly funny, then are you of sound mind and fit to be a nurse. If they are true then you need urgent help.There are postings here that do the student nurses no favours in their content and these were some of them.And do not reflect the behavour of those students that I know.
observer
- Monday, November 13, 2000 at 22:53:03 (GMT)
Student nurse-life model-bisexual
Thank you for advice miles. I went round to see my friend and tell her just what she could do with herself. The net result was that we got on to the red wine, then the white wine, then anything else we could find in a bottle, then we went to BED. At least i now know that i am bi. Thanks any way for your help. Love Jane.
jane
- Monday, November 13, 2000 at 21:13:56 (GMT)
BLOODY SCHOOL TEACHERS
WHY IS IT THAT SCHOOL TEACHERS ARE ALWAYS MOANING ABOUT WANTING MORE WAGES. MAYBE THEY SHOULD WORK AS NURSES FOR A WHILE TO REALISE THAT THEY ARE WELL PAID FOR THE JOB THEY DO. US NURSES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE MORE OF AN INTITLEMENT OF MOANING, ABOUT BEING UNDRPAID OVERWORKED SHORTSTAFF BLA! BLA! BLA! MOAN! MOAN ! I DO LOVE MY JOB FROM TIRED, DONE IN- BILL LOL
- Monday, November 13, 2000 at 15:51:56 (GMT)
I am not a nurse, I see myself as a freelance writer. I do not only write nursing essays but also arumentative essays, science, and sociology essays. These essays are a design to assist you only. They may not address all tne key issues your lectures will require from you, Writing is more of a hobbie for myself. I apologize to anyone who may of found the message offensive.Good luck to you all with your careers.
marie
- Monday, November 13, 2000 at 15:20:56 (GMT)
Sleep out & NUS Demo in London (Tuesday + Wednesday)
Best of luck to the students sleeping out outside the DoH this Tuesday. There's a group of us coming from the SW for the NUS/Unison demo the next day and we will try to pop along for a while to support the London students in their sleep out. Great coverage on Channel 4 news last week! Lets hope we can keep it up!! Looking forward to NOT spending £40 on buying an essay at the NUS/Unison party at the Brixton acamedy Wednesday night!!
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Monday, November 13, 2000 at 10:19:02 (GMT)
Marie - who the hell are you??
Marie, do you really have the nerve to presume that the student nurses on this page do not have the intelligence to write their own essays? Do you think that we don't have the integrity and knowledge to write our own work? I think I speak for the majority when I say that I would rather research the essay myself, knowing that the grade received after marking was of my own making, and not of some jumped-up know-it-all who presumes to know more than the rest of us. Being a professional nurse means having to be accountable for your own actions. What kind of future nurse would entrust their career to an entrepreneurial shit-head like yourself?? Wake up and smell the reality of today's student nurses. We are responsible, insightful and a damned-sight more honest than you. God help the NHS if you are the kind of person that is looking for employment. Britain's hospitals are better-off being short staffed if you are the alternative.
donna <donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk>
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 22:55:51 (GMT)
and more...........
or even interest free credit................
ange
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 22:41:05 (GMT)
bargain of the day continued.............
Besides, how do we know they're worth reading? Or do they come with a guarantee? Would you be prepared to offer a buy now pay 2009 scheme................?
ange
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 22:39:36 (GMT)
No Such thing as a free lunch?
As much as i admire your enterpreneurial (sic) spirit i have to say the prices are a tad steep! I could have a HUGE night on the piss for what you are charging, so what do you think im going to do with fifty quid? Buy an assignment or go out on the razzle? hard choice huh? I also think it is immoral to sell your assignments (damn why didnt i think of that!!!)
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 21:14:57 (GMT)
Bargain of the day!
I presumed this site was meant to be a place where nursing students could help each other out - I didn't realise there was a price tag on it! Marie, I hope you achieved outstanding grades for the prices you are charging. You appear to forget something - 99% of the student entries on this site express concerns over money, so tell me, why would anyone pay ridiculous sums of money to peruse your work, when other students present their work on the web FREE OF CHARGE! Can you explain the integrity of your motives?
ange
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 18:05:41 (GMT)
nursing essay for sale
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MARIE BRODIE <ANGELSKYDOVE 1@AOL.COM>
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 16:58:38 (GMT)
Check out the student nursing t-shirts
xtine <www.cafepress.com/rnstudents>
- Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 07:03:19 (GMT)
thanx
Firstly i'd like to thank everyone for their refrences and suggestions re my assignment, they proved very useful. Secondly Rebecca, i am at sheff, i presume you're doing general? in which case i'd say fine, i spent 18 months at sam fox, and although found general wasn't for me, experienced no probs. however as i am now doing mental health i have to travel to Wath-on-Dearne, which is no easy task, and in light of recent events with weather and fuel, impossible at times. However i am informed that Sheffield is the only uni to offer the Advanced diploma in nursing, so it is easier to do the degree course.
Lindsay <lindsay.j@lineone.net>
- Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 13:35:51 (GMT)
Sheffield Uni
Hi Rebecca, Funnily enough I lived in Riverdale Flats in the first year. It's where the University lump together all the students who didn't get into halls, and Student nurses. If you protest, they'll probably ask you if you want to live at Nether Edge instead. Whilst Nether Edge is nice enough, it is also miles away from Uni and the two general hospitals. If you don't mind not living with loads of other students, you could check out the notice boards at Samuel Fox House and Bartolome house. They usually have adverts to share with a few other student nurses. I'd very much doubt that they'd let you stay in a catered hall though, because when you start placements you'll be up too early for breakfast, of you'll be back too late for dinner. As for starting early, you'll have to keep pestering the uni. I was supposed to start in March 2000, but I kept on nagging and they let me start in Sept 99. However, this meant I had to live at Riverdale because there was nowhere else to live. There are other, nicer, self catered flats like Endcliffe Vale Flats, and Broad Land Court, but they're dead expensive. In the private sector you can expect to pay between £33 and £45 for a S10 address. Any probs, send me an email. Matt
Matt Richardson <nrb99mjr@shef.ac.uk>
- Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 12:37:34 (GMT)
You are the victim jane.
Dear Jane tell your slag of a mate to go and f--k herself. I think the artist and her are both dodgy. Q.What was he doing chatting you up in the out patients deparment? Waiting for his wife to see the doctor or sonething like that. He has been paying you £60 per week to get you used to the extra money coming in. I bet he has had you pose in a nurses uniform. Then when he felt it was right he took things further. Dodgy bastard. As for your so-called les mate. Tell her that you telephoned the ukcc and they told you that that if she wants to go to bed with another female, they have loads of dykes working for them. Also tell her that you telephoned the old bill and they told you that she could get life for black mail.
Miles <Milescockling@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 11:41:24 (GMT)
The Artist and £60 per week
Tell that bastard to fuck off Jane - see your union rep. We can't allow that kind of intimidation to go on. We've all got much better things to worry about and I'm sure whichever union you are a member of they will be sympathetic and helpful but most importantly - confidential. Good luck and remember - you are not the one trying to blackmail your friends. Lou
Louise
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 21:14:48 (GMT)
Carmen - Unison website for student nurses/midwives
Carmen - I think Unison is in the process of setting some pages up that are specifically for us with Q&A pages, chat rooms etc jointly with NUS. I think that independant sites like this are always going to be better for us talking about whats really important for us simply because everyone can come here regardless of which union they choose to join. But I agree Unison's website still needs to be developed - that's putting it mildly!
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 21:09:20 (GMT)
We're not enemies!!
Donna - I want to emphasise that by no stretch of the imagination do I consider anyone who disagrees with what I believe an enemy. This is a website where hopefully everyone feels they can say what they think. It's just that I get quite frustrated with what I consider to be a false argument that if we got a salary we would be reduced to an extra pair of hands gets touted because we pretty much already are an extra pair of hands. Did you know that student OT's that I've met are on a degree course and get a salary and are supernumerary? Maybe glass painting isn't quite so bad but I ran a class without supervision doing the job of a support worker - who happened to be off on holiday. I have a nagging suspicion that my education was not at the forefront of my mentor's mind when he sent me to do that. Best wishes - Lou
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 21:02:15 (GMT)
LONDON ACTION
London Nursing students will be in action next week campaigning against poverty and £2:60 per hour. UNISON Nursing Student will be Sleeping Out on Tuesday 14th November in central London followed by rally on Wednesday 15th November. For more information contact Alice Dawnay UNISON London Nursing President 0207 535 2100
Alice Dawnay <m.m.walker@unison.co.uk>
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 15:57:08 (GMT)
job
although i have been a student nurse for almost 2 years, i now feel the same as the other student nurses - i have gone out and got myself a job - so now i am a full time mum, a full time student nurse and work 3 evenings a week and alternate weekends, as the pixies said "where is my life" or should that be where is my mind? i love this bursary - i can do the same as seconded students (who are salaried and still remain supernumerary) for half the cash - lovely system.
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 15:33:26 (GMT)
SOUND AND VISION FOR THORNBURY NURSES
Months in the making, with a cast of thousands! Welcome to Thornbury Moviehouse, our brand new experience for every Thornbury nurse... Thrills, spills, laughter and tears! Music, spectacle, and your tickets to the movies! Plus all the best in professional agency nursing... Lights, camera, action!
Webmaster <webmaster@brutish-nursing.com>
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 14:16:30 (GMT)
Sheffield uni
Hey thanks for your replies, I only have a couple more questions: I am hopefully moving into Riverdale halls, but I have heard that they are not as good as I would have hoped, does anyone know of any goo but cheap flats going near to the uni, and who do I contact? My other question has to do with agencies: Should I be looking at agencies for work on the wards, because of the total shit grants etc.. I am going to have to juggle between working and studying, am I better to be working on wards??? Thanks once again, Beccy! Ps(I am suppose to start next September, but do yoiu think that they would let me start in March??) Cya
Rebecca Forrest
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 13:20:35 (GMT)
Sheffield Uni
Hi Rebecca, I'm a second year student nurse at the University of Sheffield. If you want ant help or info of anything, just mail me. I an the chair of the reps group at Sam Fox house and I am also on the committee. I should be at Sam fox next week.
Matt Richardson <nrb99mjr@shef.ac.uk>
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 12:45:54 (GMT)
oh dear indeed
What a mess hey Jane.........£60 aint much money to be selling your soul for! If there was a law against nurses having relationships with patients...........there'd be an awful lot of nurses in jail. Tell your friend to stick it where the sun dont shine. Have a confidential word with a union rep or some one in the know and dont do anything else to make this situation worse. Blackmail is an awful thing and what does she really think the UKCC are going to say. This is an organisation that cant even handle serious matters of misconduct correctly. Once all the crap is out of the way kick back and enjoy your relationship with your artist friend........whatever floats your boat mate. Good luck.
joe
- Friday, November 10, 2000 at 11:51:44 (GMT)
Oh dear.
To earn extra money to live. I have been life modeling for a artist on a one-to one basis for eight months for £60 per week. It has now gone beyond just modeling. I met him when he came to the out-patient department at one of my placements. A so called friend has told me that unless I go to bed with her she will report me to the ukcc, Can I lose my job because I met the artist in the course of my work.
jane
- Thursday, November 09, 2000 at 22:18:39 (GMT)
Shefield uni!!!
Hi rebecca, I did the first 18 mths of my course at Sheffield uni and had a fabulous time - some of the lessons were usually irrelevant and a waste of time but the area is great, very friendly people! If you want any more info mail me. When are you starting your course (if you are)? Hope this helps.
ange <ange.chris@ntlworld.com>
- Thursday, November 09, 2000 at 17:25:56 (GMT)
Anybody at Sheffield Uni
I would just like to ask anybody at Sheffield Uni, If you could give me some advice on the nursing course there, I am very eager to apply, but I really would like to know what it is like! Anybody wishing to share there secrets please reply soon, Thanks a bunch!!!!! Rebecca
Rebecca Forrest
- Thursday, November 09, 2000 at 11:10:59 (GMT)
Midwifery
Hadassah, try www.intermid.co.uk
jb
- Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 12:40:48 (GMT)
WISHING TO MAKE CONTACT
Hi Out There! I want to make contact with two colleagues, Sr D Sayer and Mr C Houghton, ODP who both currently work within Theatres. I am unsure if they are working NHS or Private sector, but if anybody is aware of where they work please can you put us in touch. My number is 0117 974 1538. Many Thanks in anticipation of your assistance.
STEPHEN EVANS <stephen.evans@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 11:31:24 (GMT)
any midwifery students out there?
hi,i'm first year midwifery student (direct entry) and would appreciate it if anyone could tell me of any british websites for student midwives. i'd also be interested in hearing from other student midwives from around the country.
hadassah <k0001812@hcs.sghms.ac.uk>
- Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 10:42:28 (GMT)
Louise - Supernumeracy........again!
OK, OK, lets not become enemies on this page due to opposing views on the wages/bursary debate. How about a compromise instead? What about us getting the same bursary as we do now to cover time spent in school, BUT then recieving waged status whilst on placements. OR, recieving a MUCH higher bursary per annum AND get paid shift allowances/enhancements for time spent on placements? (I think Roger proposed a similar idea a couple of months back). The overall aim is to reduce/abolish student poverty - so I don't see a reason as to why we can't all come to some kind of agreement.
Donna <d-carey@cwcom.net>
- Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 01:48:33 (GMT)
Hello Kris welcome to the real world of nursing. This situation that you find yourself in just multiply it by every HHS hospital. The only way to survive is from shift to shift doing your best each time. Good luck, what ever you do for each patient will be appreciated by them or their relatives.
reynagh jarrett <Kris cry from the heart>
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 23:38:00 (GMT)
Help!!
Have just joined unison, could somone tell me if there is a place on the website for nursing students??? Thanks Carmenxxx
Carmen
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 23:34:38 (GMT)
MANANA.......
KRIS ---- cheer up, I'm going to hire 5,000 nurses from Spain to help you out......
Alan
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 22:28:09 (GMT)
Just one of those days
Today was just one of those days i suppose. You know the ones, the one where everything possible that could go wrong did! But this is not the reason fot his message. I was working today on a thirty bedded orthopeadic ward, full of either ectremely demented or very ill patients. I was working with four other staff. Two trained and two NA's (all of whom worked their absoulute socks off). It just made me incredibly sad that i wasnt able to give any of those patients anywhere near the care thay need. We as workers in the NHS seem to be failing the very people that we seek to help. Its not through lack of work, its not through not caring for them, in fact it is because of that reason that we seem to be failing them all the more. As NHS workers, wether qualified or unqualified, housekeeper or porter it is because we do our job so well and with such conviction and compassion that we seek to work through in situations that are clearly unnaceptable. It is because we dont want to let our patients down that we seem to be. All of problems stem from our ability to carry on regardless. Im just heartsick of 'getting by' i dont want to just survive from one shift to another i want to be able to give those patients the holistic care they need. I am fed up of just putting a band aid over there problems and hoping that will do. These people need us and i cant help feel that we keep letting them down. Not by things that we dont do but by things that we do. Perhaps it will all get better in the morning hey?
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 22:18:41 (GMT)
Help!!!
Can anyone tell me where i can find online information relating to the dignity of patients. i would be grateful for any help.
C R
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 15:51:39 (GMT)
Louise, the bottle painter.
Taking groups is an important part of being a mental health nurse even though on the surface the group may appear to be an OT's job. Working with clients in groups allows you to observe your clients and how they interact with you and others, it helps to keep track on how they are doing. Also this exercise enhances your skills in dealing with a group of people, an important skill for a nurse and I should think more useful than all those pointless presentations that you have to do at college. Also hopefully when you are qualified you be doing teaching sessions with clients and collegues. Doing OT with clients is also fun, and I can remember numerous occasions when I've gotten to know clients alot better whilst making mugs in pottery. OT groups allow you to work on a more informal and relaxed level and clients often open up alot more in these situations. Believe me enjoy this important part of building a therapeutic relationship. Nursings' not all about arguing with consultants and mangers about your current bed crises, writing fancy careplans that nobody reads, (mine on Absconding-legendary!)or phoning pharmacy for some more Olazapine, its building your relationship and building trust. Anyhow you must of got one of your outcomes ticked so what are you moaning about?
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES.Hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 14:23:43 (GMT)
Refs for Lindsay,
Dear Lindsay, Although not directly related to your topic, if you look at these, it should show that you've read around your subject. Also these two articles I think every mental health student should read. Both deal with the role, often paternalistic, that the nurse undertakes. Firstly, Sines D (1994) The arrogance of power: a reflection on contemporary mental health nursing practice.vol 20 p894-903. Secondly: Hopton J (1997) Towards a critical theory of mental health nursing. vol 25 p492-500. Both are from the Journal of Advanced Nursing. Also mental health student nurses might try getting on a brillant UK & others mailbase for mental health nurses. Its abit annoying sometimes, because you can get up to fifteen emails a day, but its a brillant place to find stuff out by asking others, and joining in the many debates on contemporary mental health nursing. Can't remember how I joined but send an e-mail to psychiatric-nursing@mailbase.ac.uk and they should sort you out.
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 13:59:56 (GMT)
Protecting our supernumery status
It's obvious that students status as supernumery needs to be protected - we need the space to be able to develop as professionals. All the representatives of nursing & midwifery students need to stay vigilant in making sure that our status as supernumery isn't undermined more than it has already has been. But my colleagues on my course - especially those following the adult branch seem to have heard about supernumery status somewhere but have experienced very little of it. My placements (I follow the mental health branch) have been great but recently in my most recent placement it has changed a little and there's been more pressure on me to fill the gaps. I remember clearly running a class on glass bottle painting and thinking 'how does this assist my training?'
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 13:13:12 (GMT)
Here we go again
I suppose that for a small minority - constantly claiming that salaried status will automatically lead to our loss of supernumery status means that some people might actually start beleiving it. After all - if you throw enough mud some might stick. No one from the quarter that constantly raises this has ever even attempted to justify the claim - let alone answer the question that if seconded students can receive a salary and be treated no different from diploma students why would I be treated differently? It's like the way a child thinks that if they shout the loudest they might be able to win the argument. WILL / WON'T / WILL / WON'T. Staff shortages are the biggest threat to our supernumery status - not how much we get paid. There's such a gaping hole in that argument you could drive a Mac Truck through it but still some cling desperately onto the myth.
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 12:50:34 (GMT)
The way forward?
As one who is no longer a student I find it a continual source of encouragement in otherwise bleak times to work with the students of today. I recently found myself giving an inpromtu tute on psychotropic drugs to two students, supernumary students. In my days of modular training this couldn't have happened as it would have meant not only a staff nurse of the ward but two paid students needed to make up the numbers. It is for reasons like this that I believe the way forward for nurse education is not in a return to salaried students but in a VASTLY improved bursary scheme so students remain supernumary (essential) but don't have to take on agency or part time work to make ends meet.
Paul Phillips <paulm-phillips@lineone.net>
- Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 00:04:33 (GMT)
Ethics
I am very interested by ths subject of banning patients. I think that a lot of Nurses would agree that this action is appropriate, and indeed I think that many others patients would agree too. I suppose I do to, however may be it comes down to individual circumstance...? I could not condone violence have all the aspects of the situation been look into? I wonder if there is any possibility that the Nurse provoked him or that the patient was unrecognisably drunk and is very shocked and disturbed by what he did. I don't know it is all down to that "making moral decisions" thing innit, I would be horrified if it happenend to me and justification of violence is a touchy subject so I would say that if you outway the potential risk of an individual and discover that they are inclined to behave that way then there would not be an argument in it the patient should be banned...but we all make mistakes and prisoners get a chance to be repremanded and rehabilitate ...Interesting thanks Kris.
Lynette <lynettecmorgan@hotmail.com>
- Monday, November 06, 2000 at 20:24:49 (GMT)
good liaison between hospital and community nurses
I have been given an essay on "The importance of good liaison between hospital and community nursing staff". I would like to know if anyone could suggest some good articles,on the net,which could help me compose an informative,realistic essay. Thanking You, Gill.
gill <gillianwalsh@eircom.net>
- Monday, November 06, 2000 at 20:20:43 (GMT)
LINDSAY
Dear Lindsay, About your essay, I remember doing a similiar essay, although I did mine on supervised discharge. The benificence and paternalism debate is important but don't forget, risk assessment. Mark Walton has stuff on this. I'll try and dig out my articles that I used. John Hopton did a good one from the Journal of advanced nursing on the role of the nurse. Sasz is always good to use, with his stance on anti-psychiatry. Check out the "journal of medical ethics". Anyhow I'll dig out my articles, there somewhere about, and I'll get back to you if I can.
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:12:40 (GMT)
Lindsay, section 3
Hi, On the net try NigelTurner's hyperguide to the mental health act. Or even better Mark Walton, the coolest mental health page I've found. www.markwalton.net. If you can get hold of "Psychiatric care", a nursing journal, check out Bridgette Diamond's articles on compulsory detentions, they were written around 1998/1999. Excellant. Also a social work, book by I think Hogarth, this has been republished many times. You should also use the Mental health Act,Code of Practice, (1987). Your local wards should have a copy as should your library. Any other queries let us know. Sorry I could'nt be more specific with the references. Robin
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:52:26 (GMT)
A message from the king
Uh Uh Thank you Thank you. Its the King here yeah uh uh the king of rock an role. I wuz just thinkin that i couldnt of survivhed in graceland without my nurse. so to all of you student nurses out there the king says dont give up! uh uh thank you thank you liddle lady uh uh uh! This one goes out to all my nursing fans and yes it is true i am now workin in tesco!
Elvis Presley <Elvis@the_hereafter.com>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 23:00:22 (GMT)
thx
I'd just like to say thx to the people who have or tried to help me. It was all much appreciated and I think that it will help me with my essay! again thx!
Craig <webmaster@craig-harrison.co.uk>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 21:05:25 (GMT)
A dangerous step?
There's a story on British Nursing News site (very usefull site i might add!) about a hospital that is about to ban a patient for a violent attack on a nurse. Apparently he was waiting for treatment in A+E when he punched a female nurse in the face. What does everyone think of this? Should we ban patients from hospitals or does this go against the principles of the NHS? I for one am in favour of stronger sentances against those who attack NHS staff but perhaps banning those patients from the hospitals is a little extreme?
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 18:18:49 (GMT)
Mental health
can anyone help me obtain info on compulsory treatment orders? Attempting to write a refelctive study and have decided to focus on the nurses role in treating patients who are on section 3 of the mental health act, relating it to the ethics of enforcing treatment. (benificence v's paternalism and all that) Not sure how many people are training in mental health, but any help is appreciated!!
Lindsay <lindsay.j@lineone.net>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 17:42:41 (GMT)
Don't jump Miles.
Let them all come to the private sector. We all know that most NHS managers, especially the ones at the top are as much good as a chocolate fire guard. Of course it is depressing to see the NHS in melt down, but you must remember that there will be all those new students coming along soon to put everything right again. Look on the bright side miles, you are not the only mug who thinks that the NHS is worth working in. All the new students think it will be wonderful. hehe. A staff nurse i used to work with now works as a masseuse, earning over £650 per week. You too could do that. It's all to be had in the private sector.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 14:50:58 (GMT)
I agree Kris
For a LABOUR government to promote the private sector is, I feel a disgrace. We have seen what the private sector is like, trains, buses, water, cleaning contractors in our hospitals, paying to use the hospital car park they are all a joke. If the paivate sector gets busy over the winter months, as they will, where will they get the extra staff from? The NHS of course. Then what will happen? The NHS will be in more of a mess than it is now, because it will not have the staff to cope and those of us who left to struggle on will have more stress. Thanks Tone. I feel so low about things at times like this. I feel like just walking away from it all. I am too mad to say anymore.
Miles <Milescockling@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 14:24:56 (GMT)
POVERTY AND ILL-HEALTH
Heather, you could also try searching for stories on this issue on British Nursing News at nurse-nurses-nursing.com.......Sunday is always a great day for writing essays.
jb
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 08:33:35 (GMT)
Caramba, Che !
So you had a good evening down the pub, then.......
Fidel
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 07:44:31 (GMT)
this may be of use
i've just finished yet another essay (although i shouldn't moan as its my last one....sorry to rub it in folks!)and i got loads of info on www.slackinc.com/ they do full texts on all sorts of specialitys
sarah <sarahandkev@supanet.com>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 02:18:10 (GMT)
Ze voice of Nursing resistance!
Ello this iz ze voice of ze nursing rezitansce. Listen carefully for i will say zis only wonce. if you wish to join ze revoloution then speak up, let all ze oppressors know that students will not be used and abused any more!! Join me my friends and throw off the shackles of student oppression! Burn your stupid uniforms, like women once burnt zere bra's! (well not really) and join ze revoloution! Write my friends, write as though your very lives depend on it. Tell those in power that we will not stand for it anymore! Take direct action! Tell the christine Hancocks of this world that no more will we be subjugated beneath the feet of the past! We can only move forwards! We are ze best! Move forward my revoloutionary breathren and spread the word, the students they are good! The students zey are on ze move! VIVE LA REVOLOUTION! VIVE LA STUDENT NURSES! DOWN WITH OPPRESSION! END STUDENT POVERTY! VIVA MY REVOULOUTIONARY SISTERS AND BROTHERS!
Che 'i was a nurse really' Guevara <Revouloution@death_to_oppressors.cuba.com>
- Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 22:46:35 (GMT)
The private sector: solution or problem?
What does anyone think of the governments plan for the winter bed crisis? Is using the private sector actually a move forward or is it just old tired tory policies rehashed for the new millenium? It does seem a bit hypocritical for the government to spend years in opposistion opposing the use of the private sector only to turn round in government and say well actually its not such a bad idea after all. Is it just me or does it seem ludicrous for the government to pay someone else to look after sick people when i thaught that was what they paid the NHS to do? It seems a case of robbing peter to pay paul. I would be intersted in anyone elses view. Well thats enough of the discussion and sensible stuff shouldnt i be calling you all names or something!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 22:31:43 (GMT)
Dear Graig....
Hello I don't know if it is any help but I had to an essy on the role of the nurse and I started by defining what the role of the Nurse was. I got references from the books we had in the Library and then expanded...I don't think you have to worry about the actual conclusion of this as long as it shows that you have read some of the stuff on the book lists because that is why they make you write these poxy essays. Roper, Tierney and Logan "the Nursing Element" is helpful and it is for other essays too, you might want to invest in it!!
Lynette
- Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 21:30:54 (GMT)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
I have to say that the message from "bum cheeks " is the funniest thing I have read for a long time thankyou..........apart from the chime from old Mike! whinge all you like people if you know what's good for you ..better out than in!!!
Lynette <lynettecmorgan@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 21:16:56 (GMT)
Student Support
I am pleased to see that this site is being used by students communicating information regarding career opportunities, tracking down documents etc as well as the 'letting of steam' element. As one nearly a member of Victor Meldrew's generation but hopefully without his outlook on life (and isn't he soon to be killed off), I applaud the students of today! It is not your fault that your training leaves so much to be desired. It is the fault of my generation allowing it to happen. Although I no longer work in the NHS, I have many family connections as well as being a branch officer in the RCN. Keep up your enthusiasm for nursing! I can tell you there are many other careers that you could follow but few will give you the camaraderie between fellow professionals together with the satifaction of knowing that you are helping those less fortunate than yourself than you will gain from this profession!
Peggy Pryer <ppryer@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 12:57:47 (GMT)
Thanks!
Thanks everyone for your help. It is much appreciated.
Heather <leheluja@aol.com>
- Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 08:14:26 (GMT)
POVERTY AND ILL HEALTH
Heather, if you search www.nursing-portal.com for poverty OR ill health on the NRE you'll find a number of useful non-government sites with links and info.
jb
- Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 06:59:07 (GMT)
Premiere Cru?
BNA wages should afford at least that at the taxpayers expense... Obviously a team player, you MUST be dreading the winter beds crisis and staff shortages, Gstadt again or St Moritz this year?
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 23:12:43 (GMT)
Thats good then
I am so pleased Roger that you have got the gist of it, now where did I put my wine glass. hic,hic,hehe............hic.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 22:02:07 (GMT)
any help?
heather, you can go to the our healthier nation website at www.doh.co.uk/gov I think!!! I used this report for one of my assignments so email me if this website is incorrect and I will forward you my copy
ange <ange.chris@ntlworld.com>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 20:59:21 (GMT)
Heather - The Stationary Office
Hi Heather,
The Stationary Office has online copies of a lot of documents including "Better Health Better Wales" & "Saving Lives: Our Healthier Nation"
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 20:38:38 (GMT)
Looking for .....
Hi everyone. I'm in my fifth week of training and about to embark on a 3000 word sociology assignment on the effects of poverty on ill-health. I'm looking for a copy of the Black Report from 1985 (I think) and Better Health, Better Wales (1998) by the Welsh Office, and also Saving Lives, Our Healthier Nation (1999) by the Department of Health. Unfortunately, I have had no replies from the National Assembly for Wales nor the Department of Health. Can anyone help? Many thanks.
Heather <leheluja@aol.com>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 19:06:21 (GMT)
Much clearer now Mike
So basically if we don't agree with you we are both moaning and mad. Much clearer!
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 14:51:19 (GMT)
Changing institutions
I hope someone can offer me some advice. I'm due to start a nursing diploma quite far from home in February. Tragically family circumstances have changed and it is only going to possible for me to begin the course at a local university. Before i begin to enquire i wondered if anyone else has changed their institution either before or after they have begun their course. I really want to start the course ASAP and do not want to have to put it off for a year but i have a feeling its not going to be easy. Any advice or experiences would be gratefully received.
Helen <helen_black_2000@yahoo.co.uk>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 14:05:37 (GMT)
Leeds Sleep Out
All the best to the Yorkshire Nursing Students for the sleep out tonight - hope you avoid the rain and floods Anyone interested in a London Sleep Out ? Michael
Michael Walker <m.m.walker@unison.org.uk>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 13:33:41 (GMT)
Leeds Sleep Out - 3rd Nov
Sleep Out 3rd November at Department Of Health, Leeds for a better deal for Nursing Students organised by UNISON Nursing Students in Yorkshire Contact Karen Towner 0113 244 9111
Allen <allen157@mdx.ac>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 13:28:40 (GMT)
Getting info for assignments
Craig - If you are a member of Unison you can used UNISEARCH - computerised literature search facility and it gives you an up to date list of articles and other publications on any health related subject. It's all posted to you. It might help. If you are a member call 0800 5 97 97 50 and all the stuff will be sent to you. Best wishes, Lou
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 09:09:26 (GMT)
US nurse seeking employment in the UK
I am looking for some advice. I am in school currently to get my degree as a Liscensed Practitioner Nurse. I want to know how this may qualify me to obtain a work visa in the UK. My degree is a two year degree, and I'm not sure of the equivalency in the UK. Please help! Thank You.
Brandy Glowacz <bglowacz@voyager.net>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 05:54:17 (GMT)
Are you all mad?
Why is it that, on this chat, I write one thing, and you lot seem to read something completely different. I make a stament not a judgement. You may or may not agree with what I say, that is up to you, but I do not need to have worked with you or know you to give my point of view. Some folk will spend their life just moaning about everybody else, over looking the fact that they are far from perfect themselves. To those I say, go and have a good look in a mirror and you will find all the faults in you that you see in others. If not, then you may need some mental health assessment.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 00:00:05 (GMT)
Apologies for misinterpretation
I was thanking you, as no one has ever explained the thought process that went behind P2000. Inomuch as the 'hurtful' comments, well I have had a fair share from the previous generations and their staunch supporters. It is curious how readily people who do not know one another's practice defame one another, and I cannot pretend to be exempt! Those that went before like those that follow were characterised by their own humanity, good or bad. As much as people like Mike can happily question my skills and motivation without ever seeing a moment of my work, I have to admit that I have been as happy to decry his. However, I still maintain that Governments have been allowed to reduce nursing to this state and that between the apathy of the massed ranks and those that represent them, the task has been made easier. Perhaps that is why I feel less than inclined to tug my forelock to the people that were there when it happened. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem, moaning aside of course.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 22:39:53 (GMT)
Can you spell patronising?
Reynagh and Mike, im sorry but who are you to judge me? Have you ever worked with me? have you ever seen me in action? I think not, but you seem to think that you are justified in questioning my motives to Nurse. I have never called into question your right to be there at the coal face. I may not agree with your points of view but ca la vie, such is life. however i do get a bit sick and tired of people telling me that i have no right to criticise, that i have no right to nurse. Well sorry i believe that i am in nursing for the right reasons. I dont have to justify myself to you or anybody else. The comment that you made in regard to british nursing being regarded as synonimous with excellence, is i believe wrong. british nursing has suffered from these delusions of grandure for far to long. Every other nursing body in the developed world is dissapearing over the horizon, both in terms of patient care professional development. But never mind eh because as long as we have stalwarts like you at the helm stiffling any body who you regard as young or inexperienced? then british nursing will stay in the state that it is. But these are only my points of view.
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 22:11:34 (GMT)
Help
I am a student nurse living at home in my first year. I am only 3 weeks into my course + I am having a problem. I need information in order to complete my project titled ' Describe the role of the nurse in caring for others' . I have limited access to a pathetic library so if anyone has any good sites or search engines it will be much apreciated - thx! :)
Craig <Dont_ask@naffall.com>
- Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 21:54:34 (GMT)
Yes, Yes, Yes.
Yes I am a Nurse. Yes I do hold Students, NAs/HCAs in very high regard. Students, because they need all the support they can get and NAs/HCAs because it does not matter how long they have been in the job, a grade A is a grade A for ever and they are treated with contempt by those who should know better. Yes I find anyone who keeps moaning a pain in the arss.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 20:48:53 (GMT)
Loss of understanding
Roger I am at a complete loss as to exactly what you are thanking me for and did not understand one word of your first sentence, but that may be because I was a student nurse when God was a kid (I think that was the expresion you used) I can't believe having read your other postings that it could be a sincere and meant thank you. I have tried to bring some sense if that is possible to what you and Kris consider the shortcommings of P2000 training and to show you that there is life after student nursing and it can be meaniningful. I have ignored some of your comments which were unkind and hurtful both to me and the generations of nurses that went before you and who have made British Nursing synonymous with excellence. I shall bow out of this unproductive discussion with one last comment which will echo Mikes, that is do you really want to care for patients or just be there to boss those poor unfortunates beneath you about whatever their rank and grade. The time has come to grow up and answer the question honestly ,not to me,not to Mike but to yourselves My sincere best wishes to you both for the future
reynagh
- Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 18:48:21 (GMT)
Supernumery Status
It just goes on and on - tieing the campaign for salaried status with some kind of loss of supernumery status. ALL of us have seen our supernumery status undermined regardless of who pays for our income. Seconded students / diploma students / and degree students are all facing the same pressures - the only difference is that they get paid completely different amounts for doing effectively the same job when on placement. We should expect to have to get stuck in on wards - providing it's helping our education. Problems arise when due to staff shortages our need to have as productive an experience on the wards as possible is the first thing to go out the window. It's perfectly natural for that to happen. I know that some might feel that being paid might impact upon our status as professionals or maybe even add to our exploitation but just look at other professions allied to medicine and you will see that getting paid doesn't mean that we would be an extra pair of hands at all. Providing its handled well. Our income has halved since Project 2000 came about - doesn't that speak volumes and say it's time to cut our losses - fight for a decent income AND make sure we get the quality training we deserve - it doesn't have to be one or the other.
Louise Brown <L.Brown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 08:13:48 (GMT)
Getting into Nursing
Hi there. I have a friend who is keen to get into Nursing. She is 22 years old, and has worked until now as a pub manager. She has a burning desire to get into Paediatric Nursing and would like to know the best way to go about getting into this field. If anyone can offer advice or help, please could you email me and I will pass the information on to her. Thanks!
Greg <email@gregc.co.uk>
- Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 02:48:56 (GMT)
Sorryaboutthepoorpunctuation!
I would like to apologise for my poor punctuation and spelling, but I was slightly vexed by Mikes reply. What I should of said is that whilst I respect Mikes right to an opinion, I dont actually agree with it. Mike we should agree to differ and all that and despite our obviously differing points of view perhaps they should be saved for another time? Oh and yes I still want to be a nurse. Allthough perhaps i should give it all up and become an NA just so I dont upset people. Now that was a lot more polite wasnt it?
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 23:07:14 (GMT)
Thanks Reynagh and Mike
I have always wondered why? Add that to the personal why's and wherefores and you have, hmmm not sure. I have studied in higher education before but nothing compares to this in terms of the demands on the student. I have to say that I know and like and respect a lot of the NA/HCA's I have worked with and often been thanked for being so willing to help them. It does not equate to the suggestions made here by Mike, which I find as puzzling as presumably others find mine. I take it that his insistence that those who do not agree with his version of nursing (and dare to voice their feelings)should depart; does not extend to those unqualified staff who suffer? I am assuming that he is a nurse but I am not sure, though given his promptness in replying, I am sure I will know!
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 22:47:41 (GMT)
Lets not get personal
Mike, two things one NA get paid more than meapprox double what i recieve and two i do want to be a nurse but not if it means i have to listen to drivel from sanctomonious qualified staff like you. Mike if you love NA's so much and you think they work so hard give up your registration and do their job,because its a little different being told what to do and then actually having the choice. They do work hard but no harder than anyone else in the NHS so why seek to cannonise them? So letsnot get personal eh you think im a whinging young guttersnipe etc and i think your a sanctomonious out of touch dinosaur, so well agree to differ OK?
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@lineone.net>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 22:47:13 (GMT)
roger
You write the dross and sit the exams because some supposedly enlightened Nurses thought that to follow the American model of Nurse training in the UK would be a good thing.There is also an urge for it to be an all graduate profession.. but somebody was'nt telling the truth because the Government at the time and successive ones have never agreed to fund Batchelor courses and will only go as far as Diploma courses. What you do when you qualify is what you choose,read my answer to Kris for my thoughts about that.As for the dross take the medicine and keep smiling and THEN use your talent fluency and drive to change it. I for one, long in the tooth and probablely over the hill, will be there applauding you.
reynagh jarrett
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 22:31:12 (GMT)
Thats Right Kris.
Its bloody hard work being a nurse, and a student, but the NAs/HCAs work a lot harder and are paid a lot less and they do it year in year out and moan a lot less as well. My question still is. DO YOU WANT TO BE A NURSE? You don't have to if you don't want to.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 22:28:33 (GMT)
Students keep smiling cos your attidude sucks (sic)
Mike i was wondering how long it would be before someone actually put the blame for student drop out rates on the students themselves. After all it has nothing to do with poor conditions, poverty, staff who like yourself regard students as obviously worthless troublemakers. It is all our fault, obviously we need a better attitude. So mike how would you like to try and run your family, car etc on less than £500 per month? How would you like to have no job satisfaction because you arnt actually able to do the job that you want to do because people like yourself want us 'to not stand there like coat rakes (?) but to get involved'. I would love to be involved but i find it hard when all people will allow me to do is to answer buzzers and empty bedpans. I didnt realise that i would need to train for three years to become an NA.. So Mike keep blaming the students cos that way you dont actually have to take any responsibility for your attitude or the lack of intrest etc. Well anyway i think i need to go and shove a coathanger in my mouth just so i can smile all the time and have a better attitude.
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 22:13:19 (GMT)
More nursing sense in the Scarborough posting
Mike? Coat rack? Hat stand? Mackeral? And now for the weather...
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 22:02:07 (GMT)
Scarborough
How ace is Scarborough? I just went there for the first time last weekend and had such a good time. I recommend it to anyone.
bum cheeks <bum_cheeks@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 21:20:42 (GMT)
I would like to say that I am finding student life hard, enjoyable, frustrating,enthralling, degrading, exciting, annoying, brilliant and brain numbing! That is how I am finding the course work and the placement that I am on....that has nothing to do with having three kids being 27 having no money and being pissed of with jocks who have got no idea about this whole Nursing Student thingy...can't be bothered to name names!!!! sorry had to go on, feel exhausted I am enjoying it but it is tough...bet I am not the only one?
Lynette <lynettecmorgan@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 20:45:04 (GMT)
Hi Kris I do so agree with you about moving on, the point I was trying to make and obviously not very well was that we have to start somewhere.All of those basic things I did as a student nurse...the ones that you mentioned. As a charge nurse I expected my staff nurses to keep me informed of the patients conditions and to assist me in the running of the ward.I did not stand still I left Nursing attained degrees in Law and Psychology and practised Law for several years.I returned to nursing in Theatres and A&E and did the Midder and HV courses.I would say to both you and Roger stick with It the patient never sees you as another pair of hands but a nurse who offers good care. The opportunities are even greater for you now but dont neglect the basics because that experience will enrich your body of knowledge and skills...but dont run before you can walk. This profession is full of people who can wait for you to fall flat on your faces..dont give them the opportunity to have that last laugh. Always be a able to say "done that, been there,got the T shirt"
reynagh Jarrett
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 19:39:22 (GMT)
Do you want to be nurses?
I get really peeved when students keep going on about their status and pay. When you are on your placements, I for one do not expect you to just stand in a corner, like a coat rake and do nothing. I would have thought that if you are going to be a nurse, then you did just that, and assist the ward staff with the patients. That is, as some of you may not be aware is what the job is all about. To look at it as "just a extra pair of hands" is just so negative. It is because of that attitude that the fall out rate is as high as it is, because they must get so BORED doing nothing.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 19:18:50 (GMT)
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- Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 13:46:08 (GMT)