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My humourectomy!
Sorry, sorry etc. I don't know where that last piece of crap that I posted came from! Believe me, I do know what you mean about being a professional bum-wiper.... I think i'd had one of those days where bum-wiping was all i seemed to have done and was looking for a rationale behind it! Added to that - i'd just stopped smoking, but i'm over it now and this week I have even managed not to bite everybody's head off. Sorry again, :¬)
Donna
- Friday, June 29, 2001 at 19:09:00 (BST)
Racism or desperation?
In answer to 'middle aged scot' and her/his theory - I doubt it has to do with the students race and more to do with the college's desperate attempts to retain students regardless of how bad she may be. We've all been or will be aware of the less than capable student nurse who doesn't appear to give a damn about anything and unfortunately, we will then witness these same people becoming Staff Nurses who will continue to be lazy, dozy, inconsiderate and as much use as a chocolate bedpan - and this is regardless of race, religion, colour, gender etc. In my intake, we were told that if you failed to complete the course - you would get one more chance, and join another intake. We've have one student start the same module no less than 3 times. Each time her attendance falls, she gets fed up and leaves and then pops up yet again in later intake. The fact that the college is willing to accept such a poor standard of student (regardless of race, religion...etc) is indicative of most professions I reckon. How many SHO's have we met that fail to meet the most basic of standards, how many lecturers are just not up to teaching and so on. Yet these people still qualify. Sad but true.
Sassy
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 16:36:51 (BST)
Exsqueeze me???
Did I miss something here??? What's all this about a women's course? I hope it is not in reference to nursing, otherwise I'd better get a sex change...
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 14:42:58 (BST)
No, if I had wanted to be racist, I would have said so. What I do resent, is instructors and staff bending over backwards to avoid charges of racism. When a student nurse in my area is expected to provide care to four clients and one student is still providing care for one and spending four hours providing care that her classmates provide in two, yes, I see discrimination or should I say preferential treatment. When person cannot manage to maintain an intake/output chart, we have a problem. When classmates are carrying an extra load because of someone there is a problem. But because of the "race" issue a student that shouldn't be passing is. No other members of the "human race" on this woman's course is getting this level of coddling, including the Muslim woman from Sudan who comes veiled and changes her headress to comply with college dress codes. She's even fed up and actually wondering if she's black. Oh, and I forgot to mention my parents came from Hong Kong, I was born in Scotland and consider myself a Scot.
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 03:05:57 (BST)
No, if I had wanted to be racist, I would have said so. What I do resent, is instructors and staff bending over backwards to avoid charges of racism. When a student nurse in my area is expected to provide care to four clients and one student is still providing care for one and spending four hours providing care that her classmates provide in two, yes, I see discrimination or should I say preferential treatment. When person cannot manage to maintain an intake/output chart, we have a problem. When classmates are carrying an extra load because of someone there is a problem. But because of the "race" issue a student that shouldn't be passing is. No other members of the "human race" on this woman's course is getting this level of coddling, including the Muslim woman from Sudan who comes veiled and changes her headress to comply with college dress codes. She's even fed up and actually wondering if she's black. Oh, and I forgot to mention my parents came from Hong Kong, I was born in Scotland and consider myself a Scot.
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 03:05:55 (BST)
In response to the middle aged scot
There is of course a certain set of standards that must be followed in regards to patient care. It is called the code of conduct. in response to the middle aged scot i have worked with english nurses whose spelling is poor, whose documentation is non-existant whose work ethic is how shall we say negligable. the question you have to ask yourself is are you singling this person out because they are differant? if so then your comments are nothing but thinly disguised racism
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 20:23:56 (BST)
Have a laugh now and again!
Kris, you are dead right about the sense of humour part. I think you have to in nursing otherwise you will just go mad. At the end of the day , we are there to help the patients and i'm sure on top of being ill, they dont want to see unhappy people around them. Like my sister on my ward says 'a happy nurse, makes a happy patient'! :)
Craig
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 09:30:38 (BST)
Have a laugh now and again!
Kris, you are dead right about the sense of humour part. I think you have to in nursing otherwise you will just go mad. At the end of the day , we are there to help the patients and i'm sure on top of being ill, they dont want to see unhappy people around them. Like my sister on my ward says 'a happy nurse make a happy patient'! :)
Craig
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 09:30:00 (BST)
hello
I'm very interested to have more details about nursing, how i can get the application form. If i can have a job sametime when i am doing my study for nursing. If you could reply as soon as possible.
KARUNA <karunak@hm.intnet.mu>
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 08:45:11 (BST)
you racist
it would be good if u identified yourself. but as a coward you chose to hide. how sad you racist bigot
john holmes
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 23:45:55 (BST)
middle class, middle aged scot
what is wrong with wanting to provide good patient care?? Diversity, Diversity, we currently have a student, she's slow, her written work is sloppy, hygiene poor, been reminded several times on patient safety... the list goes on. But wait, her response is ur being racist, in my country.... Don't tell me that nurses in Ghana leave the side rails down on post op patients, that the frail are left unattended in showers. Her fellow students don't want to work near her and her instructors are afraid of being accused of racism. Where's the diversity, what is wrong with standards???
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 22:48:10 (BST)
Middle aged and middle classed
The trouble with Nursing in this country is that it is run by a bunch of middle aged, middle class, middle england women who represent neither the make-up of the workforce or the nature of the patients that we look after. Until nursing in this country is freed from this conservative (small C) agenda that we seem tied to nothing will change or get better. Nursing in this couuntry is afraid of change and until the majority of nurses and nurse leaders are those who understand the need for change and wish to actually do someting that may rock the boat then nursing will remain underpaid, understaffed and undervalued. Whilst many nurse leaders remain those who take up nursing as the 'other' job there will be no enthusiasm for things to change. Good luck to all those who think they can battle the system and win, the only way Nursing will develop is if we get rid of the 'Little england' brigade and move forward in all of our diversity
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 20:26:31 (BST)
You're right Kris, I love a good laugh and I have become pretty popular on the med wards that I have been on - I've managed to bring a smile to faces of very ill patients!! This is essential!
Anita
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 20:24:16 (BST)
Get a sense of Humour
Since when did everyone on this site become all holier than though? Craig is as entitled to his opinion as is everyone else and at the end of the day he was only having a laugh!! Yes you know that thing that nurses dont seem to be allowed to do.(well that and have a life outside of nursing!!) Nursing is a job that involves seeing the highs and lows of life so if you cant have a laugh about it then it would be an extremely boring and depressing job!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 20:16:46 (BST)
re exams
Hi anita - yeah know wot u mean -mine is genetics resit! had such a pig of a research practical last semester that i concentrated on that and failed genetics-groan! and they cant even set a date for the resit yet -sigh! ah well all in a student nurses life LOL
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 16:21:57 (BST)
Thanks for that!! It is a nightmare when it is a boring subject such as vision and hearing that you are being tested on - If I don't find it interesting I can't remember it!!!
Anita
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 21:28:28 (BST)
WHOOPS!! sorry
jojo
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:01:57 (BST)
luck
Good Luck Anita! I got one end of the summer n 'all ~groan! But hey we will do it despite all odds!! Best wishes Jo.
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:01:33 (BST)
luck
Good Luck Anita! I got one end of the summer n 'all ~groan! But hey we will do it despite all odds!! Best wishes Jo.
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:00:53 (BST)
luck
Good Luck Anita! I got one end of the summer n 'all ~groan! But hey we will do it despite all odds!! Best wishes Jo.
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:00:24 (BST)
GOOD LUCK TO ALL GRADUATING NURSE
WELCOME TO THE EXCITING WORLD OF CHALLENGE. LIFE INSIDE THE UNIVERSITY IS DIFFERENT FAR MORE THAN OUTSIDE SO BE PREPARED IN ALL ASPECT... GOODLUCK TO ALL OF YOU. ALL MY BEST WISHES TO ALL OF YOU.....
NORMAN <NCRSHK@HOTMAIL.COM>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 07:15:10 (BST)
right...
Craig mate, with an attitute like you display in this message room you can only expect people to get a bad impression of you, even if it is the wrong one. Your email address doesn't help either. As for patients getting better more quickly if they are happier, in my opinion this does work and I'm sure I've read about it in several hundred places aswell. Try asking your psychology lecturers.
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 00:02:59 (BST)
ps
Wish me luck in the re-sit on 20th July!!!!
Anita
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 17:19:24 (BST)
I also do bar work and have a 6 hyr old with ADHD, plus a teenager. It is an unbelievable stress and I have just reduced my hours, meaning that I won't be entitled to my WFTC (Tax Credit) when it is next due. But, what the hell, I love my training, yes, I have had doubts, especially when I failed the exam due to not having revised enough. Then my personal tutor said that I had qualities that they didn't want to lose and this has spurred me on so have now got my head in Tortora day and night now - It will be worth it in 2 years I hope!!
Anita
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 17:18:06 (BST)
yawn!
Well, cant you tell i'm busy with my esay! I'm just a bit fed up at the moment. I started my degree last september and although love the work and people & stuff, the hours are just too much. I have a bursary fee of £96 a month which is about £24 a week.. no where near enough to live on so I do weekend work in a bar for about 12 hours (1 day , one night)maybe £65 but well needed. On top of essays , presentations , exams it just gets on top of you. Well I just wanted to say my bit and get it out... I sympathise for single parents in that position ... 2 years to go! roll on the years...
Harry
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 14:59:52 (BST)
Hot topic
Just a thought.... Could flaming be described as light entertainment? :-)
David <davidrgn@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 13:45:40 (BST)
err..
Donna , its Craig ... are you a student also ... dont judge people until you have met them first... i'm sure you wouldn't like it and neither would the patient.
Craig
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 12:58:06 (BST)
hmmm
Well Donna , I appreciate the point you were trying to make but I was only having a light joke. I am sure that if they had the chance, everybody would want to 'clean' themselves. It is a matter of fact though that we are living in a society which is more elderly than younger, and we will have to do these tasks. But one thing Donna , since I have stated my training , I have noticed the 'boundaries' that qualified nurses take. HCA's are there to assist nurses not just clean up the patient. Moving on ... does anybody have any opinions on (not sure the correct word for this) if the patient is happy(from the carers) , the patient will get better quicker etc... I seem to think so ...
Craig <THE_QUIFFBOY@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 12:52:34 (BST)
Craig - do you think that you would enjoy having some cynical student wiping your 'arse' if you couldn't do it for youself? Can you imagine- for one moment- how embarrassing and undignified YOU would feel in that situation? Some patients don't feel any loss of dignity.. they are people that are so ill that it becomes an accepted part of their lives, but never a preference. I agree that 'wiping arses' is not a nice thing to have to do, but you should try and look at the situation from the patient's point-of-view, rather than your own. Somebody has do it. Do you think that you are above it? If so, think about how low they feel. Why do you consider yourself as somebody who can 'nurse'? Does the phrase 'activities of daily living' mean anything to you?
Donna
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 01:46:34 (BST)
Craig, were you drunk when you wrote your message because I cannot make head nor tail of any of it....what are you on-about?
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 01:05:54 (BST)
Ramona
We are British Nursing Students! And we wish it only took a year of study - nightmare!!
- Saturday, June 23, 2001 at 18:21:07 (BST)
Hello
I was surfing the web looking for care plans for psych patients and came acroos this one. I am also a student and strugling thru all this class room bull but i was reading some of your postings and i started to wonder where everyone is from. I am from Texas and i take it you all are over seas? Which leads to my next question, I was wondering about your schools there for nursing how long do you have to go we only go 1 yr, but i have heard from a guy from russia that his schooling over there was nothing like it is here anyways just curious .
Ramona <ramonaf@earthlink.net>
- Saturday, June 23, 2001 at 04:33:18 (BST)
craig are you weird??? cos if not then the word needs redefining.
- Friday, June 22, 2001 at 06:18:34 (BST)
Help pleaaassse!
First, the important bit... does any one have any good web sites or own work on low blood sugers (hypo glycemia) as I'm really struggling .. Thank you if so as I know that student nurses are nice as I am one my self!!! secondly my degree orientated brain got thinking : we wipe arses, and when we qualify we will be professional arse wipers!bad eh but you know you love your job!! :)
Craig <THE_QUIFFBOY@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 21:05:08 (BST)
yes clearly Tony hates all foreigners especially asylum seekers and he hates nurses so much that he hasn't given us a single payrise in four years. Who cares how the NHS is run, as long as it works for everyone?????
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 19:56:15 (BST)
OI! Tony are you Maggie in disguise!!!
The intresting thing is that in many circles St Tony of Blair is regarded as the true sucessor to the iron lady. Many of his policies are by their very nature tory. In fact many true left wingers are as worried about Mr Blair as they were about Maggie. The trade unions have made worried noises about the new pfi (private finance) Hospitals being built. The idea that the private sector and big business are the answer to the shortcomings in the NHS are naive to say the least. Big business didnt get BIG by doing things for free, so what do they want in return? will we see an increase in middle management and an accountant driven service much like we did when the idea of first using the private sector came into being (under none other than the iron Lady!!!)It seems that Messers Blair and Milburn may have made a pact with the Devil!! In response to the idea that Tony deserves a pay raise i agree in principle, however is 40% to much? Perhaps at the next pay review body we as Nurses should follow the PM's lead and ask for a 40% rise!!!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Hotmail.com>
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 18:17:50 (BST)
go and live in America then if you want access to armed weapons, mate.
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 17:49:55 (BST)
OK New Subject
So violent patients & relatives are going to be shown a 'red card'!!Says Mr Blair Wow they will be afraid! I start my training in September so am gaining exp. as an NA between times. Two nights ago a customer arrived with gunshot wounds accompanied by 6 armed officers. Despite my bravado at the time, the sight of automatic weapons held ready for use outside a High Dependancy Unit scared the *&%$ out of me. I've been doing this for five months now and already I have picked up tales of NA's & Nurses being decked, knocked out, held up at gun point and in one case threatened with a home made flame thrower! Not in A&E either I might add!(That's a whole different ball game!) In most cases the nurses have had little or no back up. In one case the nurse, who was injured was told that there was no way she would get compensation because the patient was psychotic at the time and would therefore not be charged. I'm a bloke, who has to be honest, fought the odd battle in his past but I'm really having second thoughts about opening myself up for attack. Those two nights ago, the security guards were more frightened than I was. Sorry Mr Blair, I don't want a red card...I want a Magnum 45 or at least a very big stick with the authority to use them when neccessary!
Dave <davidking@sparkles.synergie.net>
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 10:56:07 (BST)
Completly, thatcherism was about the individual and personal gain, which is all well and good but if like millions of other people, single mums, council home tenents, miners, people without any notable funds, steel workers in fact most of the industrial sectors you were unable to take advantage of lower tax rates and big incentives, where did that leave you? Come on Blair and co. make real reform count in the NHS.
Nat Mills
- Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 19:09:55 (BST)
I agree
I am old enough to remember what Maggie did to this country - I was a single mum under the tories and was treated like something dragged in on their shoes, at least under New Labour I have been encouraged to enter higher education which has then enabled me to do my training! I know the situation isn't perfect but I feel better knowing that Tony Blair is in Government.
Anita
- Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 15:39:41 (BST)
Well said my anonymous friend! If the tories were still in power, the NHS would be similar to rail track - a complete balls up! at least run pubilcly the NHS is only a slight balls up!
Nat Mills
- Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 00:18:45 (BST)
here here
How can anyone be truly pissed off with Labour after what the tories did to nursing. Think about it, it was the tories who invented the bursary. If it wasn't for them we'd be earning around £9,000 a year by now probably. And as qualified nurses under the conservatives I bet the starting wage for a D grade would be no more than £13K. OK, we could be paid more. But don't forget the dark old days when Maggie was around.
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 17:26:34 (BST)
Lets all slag off the government.
Ok then, Tony Blair's pay rise, leaders of multi-national corporations, recieve millions of pounds a year in salary and bonuses yet they only manage a tiny proportion compared to what Blair manages with Great Britain LTD. The man has a huge responsibility, slightly more than 10 patients with varying degrees of illness.
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 16:27:44 (BST)
Topic for Today
Lets discuss Tony Blairs pay raise!!!!!!!!!!
Simone
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 16:15:18 (BST)
I meant chatting not chattig. :)
Melissa
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 00:08:35 (BST)
Canadian Nursing Student
Just interested in chattig with anyone who is a nursing student like me.
Melissa Prue <mcatherine@ireland.com>
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 00:02:18 (BST)
It's quiet in here!
Hey alison, I'll chat with you - now what's the topic for today..............
ange
- Monday, June 18, 2001 at 20:48:45 (BST)
Registration For ACCESS TO NURSING
HariniDassanayaka No. 143 Goring Road Colchester Essex C04 4DD 17-06-2001 Dear Sir/Madam Registration For ACCESS TO NURSING I want to convert my career into Nursing & I would like to receive your Application forms to above address. I am past Student from University Of Essex & I have done my Bachelors in International Relations in University of Colombo Sri Lanka. I came to do my post graduate studies at Essex university & I found quite a lot of career opportunities in Nursing. So I decided to change my Career into Nursing. Please send me the relevant details & Applications ASAP. Yours Sincerely Harini Dassanayaka
Harini Dassanayaka <sdassa@essex.ac.uk>
- Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 18:08:56 (BST)
WATCH OUT FOR WHITECOAT
He's helping the NHS set up yet another management propaganda site (NHS Intranet) to pull the wool over nurses' eyes and keep us working for piss-poor rates. NHS management think we're so stupid that we don't know the difference between pay rates and spin rates......
- Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 03:28:55 (BST)
Intranet
Hi I'm doing research into what people would like to be able to access on a new Intranet system in the nursing world and would welcome feedback. Any suggestions of what is needed on site would be really welcome. Ok?
whitecoat <healthsay@aol.com>
- Saturday, June 16, 2001 at 10:51:39 (BST)
hey
its been really boring in here lately. Lets get a bit of chat going. Any student nurses out there, where abouts in your training are you and how are you finding it????
alison
- Friday, June 15, 2001 at 21:55:52 (BST)
Hey Brutes!
Any of you looking for jobs? I am an RGN and manage the healthcare department for a company which recruits for large companies such as BMI. There are currently LOADS of vacancies in all specialities for all qualified nurses, so even if you aren't qualified yet, get ahead of the game and send me your cv: rebecca.payne@tvjobshop.com and don't forget to check out our website: tvjobshop.com Good luck!
Rebecca <rebecca.payne@tvjobshop.com>
- Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 11:31:02 (BST)
UNISON
WHERE WAS UNISON
- Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 02:21:22 (BST)
ICN Copenhagen
We wouold just like to tell everyone that ICN was an amazing excperience, and we were really lucky to be able to share nursing issues with students from all over the world. We look forward to sharing everything with you on our return, and especially about the exciting future for that lays ahead for students on an international level. The next ICN Congress will take place in Taiwan in 2005. Start saving your pennies, as it will be an experience not to miss.
Andy and Simon
- Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 17:34:43 (BST)
help!!
Does anybody have any good references for a qualitative research assignment? Just on the off chance! TA :)
kerry <kerry_camb@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 16:51:09 (BST)
Nearly finished
I finish in 21 weeks and 4 days and I would like to thank you all for the entertainment throughout my degree.
Kate <holleran@dcsi.net.au>
- Monday, June 11, 2001 at 14:54:36 (BST)
It's quiet lately on here!!
isn't it? So I will add some totally useles information - I'm pleased anyway!! I am just about going into my 2nd year of the Diploma and we have been given our holidays up until we finish, we don't do any Christmas's or New year's at all!! Excellent and about time they stopped exploiting us!! I will take great pleasure in being supernumery all the way through now!!
Anita
- Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 17:11:18 (BST)
hints for survivial
I'm starting a diploma course soon. Can anyone give me any hints on how to juggle the course and keep my family happy. Also can anyone that has done the Access to Health course tell me how much the standard of level 3 assignments for Access differs from the standard I will be expected to produce for diploma. Cheers X
Sylv <sylv91uk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 17:31:19 (BST)
Essay
Can anyone help! looking for info on ethics of heart disease and quotations on same. For essay due next week
Liz Cook <lizcook@blueyonder.co.uk>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 16:33:38 (BST)
Carla
I would advise you to do some work in a nursing home first, that will give you a good idea if you will like nursing, although, some areas of nursing are totally different, you will be able to see if you are good at communicating with people, this is essential and you will also see if you have a weak stomach or not!!! Mind you, I was squeamish so I attended a post mortem and that sorted that out!! I can face anything now! Also I did a GNVQ in Health and Social Care at college for 2 years and I find that this was perfect because a lot of the work in the first year, such as sociology and psychology, I had already done, so it has stood me in good stead. Good luck anyway.
Anita
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 10:55:27 (BST)
Anon
Greg is currently away on some well earned holiday....
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 09:51:40 (BST)
advice needed
im a year 12 student, and was thinking of choosing nursing to do as a career. Please tell me if this is a bad idea.
Carla <blink_surfer_83@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 04:58:12 (BST)
What moderator?
Apparently there's no moderator on this site.......Thornbury told me at RCN congress they just lit the touch-paper on Brutish and decided to stand well back.......but there's a webmaster called Greig who keeps the site up and running.....talk to us, Greig
anon
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 04:38:47 (BST)
Re: Maslow
Have a look in: Psychology - The Study of Mind and Behaviour, by Richard D. Gross. It is explained quite well in there. Good luck,
Donna
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 01:19:29 (BST)
re:essayhealp
i need some assistance with my essay and would like any info on maslow's theory of hierarchial needs. i also need info on down's syndrome and learning disability and communication
sharon <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 18:40:48 (BST)
WOW!
Hey this is a cool chat! I just started my nursing and my course is mad. Don;t know wee the hell all this refelctive practice is leading coz thats all we seem to do! Anyone else jusat started?
Amy <amyandamy_2000@hotmail.com>
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 17:34:07 (BST)
whoops!
I meant 'live' chat area
Donna
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 00:35:21 (BST)
to the moderator...
what are the chances of setting up a ive chat area? I think that most of us would appreciate this facility.
Donna
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 00:33:27 (BST)
anybody up?
chris <bromilowchristine@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 23:00:38 (BST)
(Coventry Uni)
I have just finished CFP and gone in the branch programme (halfway through 2nd year). I'm not apposed to hard work but i'm sure they want blood......lol. We've been given 2 x 2 1/2 thousand word essay and a hour long seminar. This goes with working 5 days a week on the wards as well. So anyone thats been led to believe it gets easier as the course proceeds....WRONG.....lol. Working another weekend job and having kids add to it all.....anyway i've had my gripe for the day......Feel much better now....RIGHT back to the essays...lol
kim
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 19:45:56 (BST)
renee
i really disliked some of my ward placements, but i managed to get my last two in the community, i was given more responsibility and supervison - as opposed to "nip down to pharmacy and collect a prescription for me". but the further you go into your training the more interesting it gets and staff become more interested in training you - well this is my experience. good luck
anne-marie
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:51:16 (BST)
Salaries..
OK fair point, scrap my last posting. Can you really earn 20-30K at PC World? Anybody got the address?!
Donna
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 14:29:48 (BST)
Food for thought....
I saw an advert in Burger King offering their trainee managers a starting salary of £17K, Police recruits start on 17K+, kids from school can go and work in PC World and earn 20K-30K straight out of the box - I'm sure there are plenty of others
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 08:23:05 (BST)
P.S....food for thought...
How many other courses can you think of that give you 3yrs to complete a diploma (most are normally only 2 years max). And how many jobs give you a starting wage of K15+ wihtout a degree? Most post-graduates start on less than that...
Donna
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:33:05 (BST)
Renee
I know that feeling! I'm going into my second year and will have done 26 weeks of placement. I enjoy nursing in itself, but hate the shift work, even though I've never had a job in 10 years that doesn't involve unsociable hours. However, I can't think of any 9-5 job that I would enjoy any more than this. I see my training as a means-to-an-end. By that, I mean that I know where I want to go when I've trained (palliative care - which is still far from 'normal' hours). You've got to ask yourself what you would do if you weren't nursing. Can you think of any other job/profession that you could see yourself doing, are you prepared to do the relevant training and would you be any happier? You mention research, if you are really interested in this area then you are going to have to complete your training anyway. What about nurse teaching? That way you are still involved with nursing and research but get better hours. Basically what I am saying is that if you haven't any other ideas, stick with the training and go on from there, afterall what's another year?. If however, you have another realistic career path then go for that - if, and only if, you're sure. Take it from someone who is nearly 32yrs and has never stuck with anything - you may regret not finishing. Have you spoken to your personal tutor? Good luck to you for your future,
Donna
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:19:24 (BST)
ps
I think ward routines and attitudes of staff are enough to put any would-be nurse off!!!!!
Anita
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 18:51:32 (BST)
Oh Dear Renee
Oh what a predicament! I don't know what the best option is, my gut instinct says stick with it because you can do more with the qualification than work in the hospital - do you fancy going on to do health visiting or something? Perhaps you will still need some experience post-reg though, I don't know. I feel sometimes that I am doing the wrong thing, then, something happens that boosts my ego a bit and I feel ok about it again... I don't know it is difficult. Good luck
Anita
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 18:50:00 (BST)
Asking for advise
I'm wondering if anyone could help me. I'm going into my third year of nursing, and hate it. I've done placements at the hospital and realize how much nursing isn't for me. I only have one year left and feel I should finish my last year and get my diploma, but I dread next year, especially my placements. Does anybody have any advise on what I should do? Maybe suggest placements that involve more research and community work. Please don't just tell me to quit. Renee
Renee <reneevaillancourt@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 03:34:23 (BST)
help
i am doing an assingment on learning disability and want to know where i can find the white papaer that applies to learning disability as the net is huge!
sharon <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 22:06:24 (BST)
the catheter from hell
The first one has to be the worst. Attaching the drainage system, I managed to hit my instructor in the throat and beard. Nevermind me, I only got it in the eyes and uniform. After he had shampooed the beard, he found me asking the unit manager where I was supposed to clean my eyes. Half an hour of eyeflushing. Patient, student nurse, and instructor survived. It can only get better????
- Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 00:59:03 (BST)
nursing places
When I applied for the diploma in Feb last year I'd heard that I would probably have to try a few times to get in. Not so, I had my interview in Feb 2000 and started my course in June 2000. So don't worry it isn't the same everywhere.
Anita
- Monday, June 04, 2001 at 14:55:25 (BST)
Dear Jackie
You have made it this far to give up now. Just keep doing a good job--grin and bear it-- and know you will be a good nurse one day! Good Luck to You!!
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 23:43:13 (BST)
Jane, if it's any consolation, it is hard to find a nursing spot anywhere. Here in Canada, they are admitting to courses, mainly on high school marks. Mature students are having to redo high school exams and have first year university credits to get on the course. Unfortunately, life experience isn't valued too much and as a result, a lot of 18 year olds drop out within the first year. An essay on why you want to be a nurse hardly explains your maturity level and attitude towards life. On my course, all the young "my mum's a nurse, I come from a family of nurses" have left. My class started out at 72 and we are down to 49. They wonder why there is a shortage, I think its because sometimes they just don't screen the applicants well enough. I'm tired and 42 and I will make it. Might not recognize my kids, husband, dog or lover (well OK I exaggerate, but you know what I mean!!!!) If you really want it try your best and don't give up, learn to sell yourself and if all else fails, remember alot of the time its an "old girls" club to get in. Hard to believe, but the interviewer might not like you, but it happened in one of my interviews. They felt I had too much life experience and was not used to working in a subordinate position. Just keep trying!!
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 21:17:30 (BST)
Student Places again
In addition to my message below - reading the Times today I read of a teenager who failed to find a place on a nursing course despite top level grade in 10 GCSEs. She applied to 4 universities within a month of getting her results in September but was told that courses were ALREADY oversubscribed. When she checked at more than 70 other higher education establishments she discovered their courses were full too. ??????? How can these courses be full already if she is applying in September, the start of the NMAS admissions period? Just what does it take to become a nurse these days? Just how hard is it going to be for me to get in?
Jane
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 18:56:06 (BST)
Student Places
Ref. article in this weeks Nursing Standard on bursary restrictions for overseas students. To quote "According to a council survey of ten universities in the two regions, a third of the students starting nursing diploma courses this September are from outside the European Union". As I am applying shortly to join a nursing diploma course this made me wonder about the selection procedure for the courses at universities and colleges. Is priority given to British candidates? Are so many overseas students accepted because there are not enough British students to fill the places? If the UK bursary for non EU residents is ended on Nov 1 does this mean that more places will generally be available? I have the right qualifications to enter nursing but it is a bit worrying to see from NMAS that out of the 39,034 applications in 99/00 only 14,819 were offered places. (If the Nursing Standard article is correct this means that less than 10,000 British students began a diploma course in 99/00). Are there really only 14,819 places available over the whole of the country?
Jane
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 16:30:54 (BST)
am interested in nursing training
Dear sir am really interested in the nursing training .Am a Mauritian and have take part in an SC exams and my qualification are SUBJECT GRADE ENGLISH 7 FRENCH 7 MATHEMATICS 9 ACCOUNTING 3 BUSINESS STU 8 VISUAL ARTS 5 ISLAMIC CUL 8
muhomud khaleed <k_muhomud80@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 09:32:13 (BST)
Not a "real nurse"
It was recently National Nurses week. A couple of the Doctors ordered in Pizza for the Nurses. We students were asked to leave the staff room "as the food is for the real nurses!" Guess that means we don't have to "really" be there on time and willing to do the grunt work....
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 03:10:48 (BST)
Reply to denise regarding HCA's
I agree entierly with what u have to say about professionalism! I'ts an awfull experience though it's like being bullied and i have to say that at the moment on clinical placements i have been on i am experiencing it im thinking of finishing my training because of it. I don't mind pitching in to help but there is more to nursing than commodes all the time! Trouble is u don't want to say anything incase it makes matters worse but if these staff are not compassionate what on earth are they doing nursing ?????? I dont like to be beat i have 4 children and am insulin dependant and have come this far i really don't want to give in but when your not made to feel part of the team what can u do ? ? ? ?
Jackie <WhKat@aol.com.uk>
- Friday, June 01, 2001 at 19:37:38 (BST)
Miss Nightingales Suggestions!!! Dolan 1968 states that....
Improvement for the nursing services of hospitals.... "A nurse should do nothing but nurse. If you want a charwoman, hire one". It was her feeling that the hospital enviroment should encourage the nurse to nurse rather than to frustrate and thwart her efforts. PREMATURE RESPONSIBILITY and OVERWORK were recognised as DANGERS to sound growth and frequentley encouraged the student to become disinterested in nursing.
Jackie <WhKat@aol.com.uk>
- Friday, June 01, 2001 at 19:17:07 (BST)
Sorry, sorry etc. I don't know where that last piece of crap that I posted came from! Believe me, I do know what you mean about being a professional bum-wiper.... I think i'd had one of those days where bum-wiping was all i seemed to have done and was looking for a rationale behind it! Added to that - i'd just stopped smoking, but i'm over it now and this week I have even managed not to bite everybody's head off. Sorry again, :¬)
Donna
- Friday, June 29, 2001 at 19:09:00 (BST)
Racism or desperation?
In answer to 'middle aged scot' and her/his theory - I doubt it has to do with the students race and more to do with the college's desperate attempts to retain students regardless of how bad she may be. We've all been or will be aware of the less than capable student nurse who doesn't appear to give a damn about anything and unfortunately, we will then witness these same people becoming Staff Nurses who will continue to be lazy, dozy, inconsiderate and as much use as a chocolate bedpan - and this is regardless of race, religion, colour, gender etc. In my intake, we were told that if you failed to complete the course - you would get one more chance, and join another intake. We've have one student start the same module no less than 3 times. Each time her attendance falls, she gets fed up and leaves and then pops up yet again in later intake. The fact that the college is willing to accept such a poor standard of student (regardless of race, religion...etc) is indicative of most professions I reckon. How many SHO's have we met that fail to meet the most basic of standards, how many lecturers are just not up to teaching and so on. Yet these people still qualify. Sad but true.
Sassy
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 16:36:51 (BST)
Exsqueeze me???
Did I miss something here??? What's all this about a women's course? I hope it is not in reference to nursing, otherwise I'd better get a sex change...
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 14:42:58 (BST)
No, if I had wanted to be racist, I would have said so. What I do resent, is instructors and staff bending over backwards to avoid charges of racism. When a student nurse in my area is expected to provide care to four clients and one student is still providing care for one and spending four hours providing care that her classmates provide in two, yes, I see discrimination or should I say preferential treatment. When person cannot manage to maintain an intake/output chart, we have a problem. When classmates are carrying an extra load because of someone there is a problem. But because of the "race" issue a student that shouldn't be passing is. No other members of the "human race" on this woman's course is getting this level of coddling, including the Muslim woman from Sudan who comes veiled and changes her headress to comply with college dress codes. She's even fed up and actually wondering if she's black. Oh, and I forgot to mention my parents came from Hong Kong, I was born in Scotland and consider myself a Scot.
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 03:05:57 (BST)
No, if I had wanted to be racist, I would have said so. What I do resent, is instructors and staff bending over backwards to avoid charges of racism. When a student nurse in my area is expected to provide care to four clients and one student is still providing care for one and spending four hours providing care that her classmates provide in two, yes, I see discrimination or should I say preferential treatment. When person cannot manage to maintain an intake/output chart, we have a problem. When classmates are carrying an extra load because of someone there is a problem. But because of the "race" issue a student that shouldn't be passing is. No other members of the "human race" on this woman's course is getting this level of coddling, including the Muslim woman from Sudan who comes veiled and changes her headress to comply with college dress codes. She's even fed up and actually wondering if she's black. Oh, and I forgot to mention my parents came from Hong Kong, I was born in Scotland and consider myself a Scot.
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 03:05:55 (BST)
In response to the middle aged scot
There is of course a certain set of standards that must be followed in regards to patient care. It is called the code of conduct. in response to the middle aged scot i have worked with english nurses whose spelling is poor, whose documentation is non-existant whose work ethic is how shall we say negligable. the question you have to ask yourself is are you singling this person out because they are differant? if so then your comments are nothing but thinly disguised racism
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 20:23:56 (BST)
Have a laugh now and again!
Kris, you are dead right about the sense of humour part. I think you have to in nursing otherwise you will just go mad. At the end of the day , we are there to help the patients and i'm sure on top of being ill, they dont want to see unhappy people around them. Like my sister on my ward says 'a happy nurse, makes a happy patient'! :)
Craig
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 09:30:38 (BST)
Have a laugh now and again!
Kris, you are dead right about the sense of humour part. I think you have to in nursing otherwise you will just go mad. At the end of the day , we are there to help the patients and i'm sure on top of being ill, they dont want to see unhappy people around them. Like my sister on my ward says 'a happy nurse make a happy patient'! :)
Craig
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 09:30:00 (BST)
hello
I'm very interested to have more details about nursing, how i can get the application form. If i can have a job sametime when i am doing my study for nursing. If you could reply as soon as possible.
KARUNA <karunak@hm.intnet.mu>
- Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 08:45:11 (BST)
you racist
it would be good if u identified yourself. but as a coward you chose to hide. how sad you racist bigot
john holmes
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 23:45:55 (BST)
middle class, middle aged scot
what is wrong with wanting to provide good patient care?? Diversity, Diversity, we currently have a student, she's slow, her written work is sloppy, hygiene poor, been reminded several times on patient safety... the list goes on. But wait, her response is ur being racist, in my country.... Don't tell me that nurses in Ghana leave the side rails down on post op patients, that the frail are left unattended in showers. Her fellow students don't want to work near her and her instructors are afraid of being accused of racism. Where's the diversity, what is wrong with standards???
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 22:48:10 (BST)
Middle aged and middle classed
The trouble with Nursing in this country is that it is run by a bunch of middle aged, middle class, middle england women who represent neither the make-up of the workforce or the nature of the patients that we look after. Until nursing in this country is freed from this conservative (small C) agenda that we seem tied to nothing will change or get better. Nursing in this couuntry is afraid of change and until the majority of nurses and nurse leaders are those who understand the need for change and wish to actually do someting that may rock the boat then nursing will remain underpaid, understaffed and undervalued. Whilst many nurse leaders remain those who take up nursing as the 'other' job there will be no enthusiasm for things to change. Good luck to all those who think they can battle the system and win, the only way Nursing will develop is if we get rid of the 'Little england' brigade and move forward in all of our diversity
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 20:26:31 (BST)
You're right Kris, I love a good laugh and I have become pretty popular on the med wards that I have been on - I've managed to bring a smile to faces of very ill patients!! This is essential!
Anita
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 20:24:16 (BST)
Get a sense of Humour
Since when did everyone on this site become all holier than though? Craig is as entitled to his opinion as is everyone else and at the end of the day he was only having a laugh!! Yes you know that thing that nurses dont seem to be allowed to do.(well that and have a life outside of nursing!!) Nursing is a job that involves seeing the highs and lows of life so if you cant have a laugh about it then it would be an extremely boring and depressing job!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 20:16:46 (BST)
re exams
Hi anita - yeah know wot u mean -mine is genetics resit! had such a pig of a research practical last semester that i concentrated on that and failed genetics-groan! and they cant even set a date for the resit yet -sigh! ah well all in a student nurses life LOL
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 16:21:57 (BST)
Thanks for that!! It is a nightmare when it is a boring subject such as vision and hearing that you are being tested on - If I don't find it interesting I can't remember it!!!
Anita
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 21:28:28 (BST)
WHOOPS!! sorry
jojo
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:01:57 (BST)
luck
Good Luck Anita! I got one end of the summer n 'all ~groan! But hey we will do it despite all odds!! Best wishes Jo.
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:01:33 (BST)
luck
Good Luck Anita! I got one end of the summer n 'all ~groan! But hey we will do it despite all odds!! Best wishes Jo.
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:00:53 (BST)
luck
Good Luck Anita! I got one end of the summer n 'all ~groan! But hey we will do it despite all odds!! Best wishes Jo.
jojo <jo.kunchai@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:00:24 (BST)
GOOD LUCK TO ALL GRADUATING NURSE
WELCOME TO THE EXCITING WORLD OF CHALLENGE. LIFE INSIDE THE UNIVERSITY IS DIFFERENT FAR MORE THAN OUTSIDE SO BE PREPARED IN ALL ASPECT... GOODLUCK TO ALL OF YOU. ALL MY BEST WISHES TO ALL OF YOU.....
NORMAN <NCRSHK@HOTMAIL.COM>
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 07:15:10 (BST)
right...
Craig mate, with an attitute like you display in this message room you can only expect people to get a bad impression of you, even if it is the wrong one. Your email address doesn't help either. As for patients getting better more quickly if they are happier, in my opinion this does work and I'm sure I've read about it in several hundred places aswell. Try asking your psychology lecturers.
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 00:02:59 (BST)
ps
Wish me luck in the re-sit on 20th July!!!!
Anita
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 17:19:24 (BST)
I also do bar work and have a 6 hyr old with ADHD, plus a teenager. It is an unbelievable stress and I have just reduced my hours, meaning that I won't be entitled to my WFTC (Tax Credit) when it is next due. But, what the hell, I love my training, yes, I have had doubts, especially when I failed the exam due to not having revised enough. Then my personal tutor said that I had qualities that they didn't want to lose and this has spurred me on so have now got my head in Tortora day and night now - It will be worth it in 2 years I hope!!
Anita
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 17:18:06 (BST)
yawn!
Well, cant you tell i'm busy with my esay! I'm just a bit fed up at the moment. I started my degree last september and although love the work and people & stuff, the hours are just too much. I have a bursary fee of £96 a month which is about £24 a week.. no where near enough to live on so I do weekend work in a bar for about 12 hours (1 day , one night)maybe £65 but well needed. On top of essays , presentations , exams it just gets on top of you. Well I just wanted to say my bit and get it out... I sympathise for single parents in that position ... 2 years to go! roll on the years...
Harry
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 14:59:52 (BST)
Hot topic
Just a thought.... Could flaming be described as light entertainment? :-)
David <davidrgn@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 13:45:40 (BST)
err..
Donna , its Craig ... are you a student also ... dont judge people until you have met them first... i'm sure you wouldn't like it and neither would the patient.
Craig
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 12:58:06 (BST)
hmmm
Well Donna , I appreciate the point you were trying to make but I was only having a light joke. I am sure that if they had the chance, everybody would want to 'clean' themselves. It is a matter of fact though that we are living in a society which is more elderly than younger, and we will have to do these tasks. But one thing Donna , since I have stated my training , I have noticed the 'boundaries' that qualified nurses take. HCA's are there to assist nurses not just clean up the patient. Moving on ... does anybody have any opinions on (not sure the correct word for this) if the patient is happy(from the carers) , the patient will get better quicker etc... I seem to think so ...
Craig <THE_QUIFFBOY@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 12:52:34 (BST)
Craig - do you think that you would enjoy having some cynical student wiping your 'arse' if you couldn't do it for youself? Can you imagine- for one moment- how embarrassing and undignified YOU would feel in that situation? Some patients don't feel any loss of dignity.. they are people that are so ill that it becomes an accepted part of their lives, but never a preference. I agree that 'wiping arses' is not a nice thing to have to do, but you should try and look at the situation from the patient's point-of-view, rather than your own. Somebody has do it. Do you think that you are above it? If so, think about how low they feel. Why do you consider yourself as somebody who can 'nurse'? Does the phrase 'activities of daily living' mean anything to you?
Donna
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 01:46:34 (BST)
Craig, were you drunk when you wrote your message because I cannot make head nor tail of any of it....what are you on-about?
- Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 01:05:54 (BST)
Ramona
We are British Nursing Students! And we wish it only took a year of study - nightmare!!
- Saturday, June 23, 2001 at 18:21:07 (BST)
Hello
I was surfing the web looking for care plans for psych patients and came acroos this one. I am also a student and strugling thru all this class room bull but i was reading some of your postings and i started to wonder where everyone is from. I am from Texas and i take it you all are over seas? Which leads to my next question, I was wondering about your schools there for nursing how long do you have to go we only go 1 yr, but i have heard from a guy from russia that his schooling over there was nothing like it is here anyways just curious .
Ramona <ramonaf@earthlink.net>
- Saturday, June 23, 2001 at 04:33:18 (BST)
craig are you weird??? cos if not then the word needs redefining.
- Friday, June 22, 2001 at 06:18:34 (BST)
Help pleaaassse!
First, the important bit... does any one have any good web sites or own work on low blood sugers (hypo glycemia) as I'm really struggling .. Thank you if so as I know that student nurses are nice as I am one my self!!! secondly my degree orientated brain got thinking : we wipe arses, and when we qualify we will be professional arse wipers!bad eh but you know you love your job!! :)
Craig <THE_QUIFFBOY@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 21:05:08 (BST)
yes clearly Tony hates all foreigners especially asylum seekers and he hates nurses so much that he hasn't given us a single payrise in four years. Who cares how the NHS is run, as long as it works for everyone?????
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 19:56:15 (BST)
OI! Tony are you Maggie in disguise!!!
The intresting thing is that in many circles St Tony of Blair is regarded as the true sucessor to the iron lady. Many of his policies are by their very nature tory. In fact many true left wingers are as worried about Mr Blair as they were about Maggie. The trade unions have made worried noises about the new pfi (private finance) Hospitals being built. The idea that the private sector and big business are the answer to the shortcomings in the NHS are naive to say the least. Big business didnt get BIG by doing things for free, so what do they want in return? will we see an increase in middle management and an accountant driven service much like we did when the idea of first using the private sector came into being (under none other than the iron Lady!!!)It seems that Messers Blair and Milburn may have made a pact with the Devil!! In response to the idea that Tony deserves a pay raise i agree in principle, however is 40% to much? Perhaps at the next pay review body we as Nurses should follow the PM's lead and ask for a 40% rise!!!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Hotmail.com>
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 18:17:50 (BST)
go and live in America then if you want access to armed weapons, mate.
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 17:49:55 (BST)
OK New Subject
So violent patients & relatives are going to be shown a 'red card'!!Says Mr Blair Wow they will be afraid! I start my training in September so am gaining exp. as an NA between times. Two nights ago a customer arrived with gunshot wounds accompanied by 6 armed officers. Despite my bravado at the time, the sight of automatic weapons held ready for use outside a High Dependancy Unit scared the *&%$ out of me. I've been doing this for five months now and already I have picked up tales of NA's & Nurses being decked, knocked out, held up at gun point and in one case threatened with a home made flame thrower! Not in A&E either I might add!(That's a whole different ball game!) In most cases the nurses have had little or no back up. In one case the nurse, who was injured was told that there was no way she would get compensation because the patient was psychotic at the time and would therefore not be charged. I'm a bloke, who has to be honest, fought the odd battle in his past but I'm really having second thoughts about opening myself up for attack. Those two nights ago, the security guards were more frightened than I was. Sorry Mr Blair, I don't want a red card...I want a Magnum 45 or at least a very big stick with the authority to use them when neccessary!
Dave <davidking@sparkles.synergie.net>
- Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 10:56:07 (BST)
Completly, thatcherism was about the individual and personal gain, which is all well and good but if like millions of other people, single mums, council home tenents, miners, people without any notable funds, steel workers in fact most of the industrial sectors you were unable to take advantage of lower tax rates and big incentives, where did that leave you? Come on Blair and co. make real reform count in the NHS.
Nat Mills
- Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 19:09:55 (BST)
I agree
I am old enough to remember what Maggie did to this country - I was a single mum under the tories and was treated like something dragged in on their shoes, at least under New Labour I have been encouraged to enter higher education which has then enabled me to do my training! I know the situation isn't perfect but I feel better knowing that Tony Blair is in Government.
Anita
- Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 15:39:41 (BST)
Well said my anonymous friend! If the tories were still in power, the NHS would be similar to rail track - a complete balls up! at least run pubilcly the NHS is only a slight balls up!
Nat Mills
- Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 00:18:45 (BST)
here here
How can anyone be truly pissed off with Labour after what the tories did to nursing. Think about it, it was the tories who invented the bursary. If it wasn't for them we'd be earning around £9,000 a year by now probably. And as qualified nurses under the conservatives I bet the starting wage for a D grade would be no more than £13K. OK, we could be paid more. But don't forget the dark old days when Maggie was around.
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 17:26:34 (BST)
Lets all slag off the government.
Ok then, Tony Blair's pay rise, leaders of multi-national corporations, recieve millions of pounds a year in salary and bonuses yet they only manage a tiny proportion compared to what Blair manages with Great Britain LTD. The man has a huge responsibility, slightly more than 10 patients with varying degrees of illness.
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 16:27:44 (BST)
Topic for Today
Lets discuss Tony Blairs pay raise!!!!!!!!!!
Simone
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 16:15:18 (BST)
I meant chatting not chattig. :)
Melissa
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 00:08:35 (BST)
Canadian Nursing Student
Just interested in chattig with anyone who is a nursing student like me.
Melissa Prue <mcatherine@ireland.com>
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 00:02:18 (BST)
It's quiet in here!
Hey alison, I'll chat with you - now what's the topic for today..............
ange
- Monday, June 18, 2001 at 20:48:45 (BST)
Registration For ACCESS TO NURSING
HariniDassanayaka No. 143 Goring Road Colchester Essex C04 4DD 17-06-2001 Dear Sir/Madam Registration For ACCESS TO NURSING I want to convert my career into Nursing & I would like to receive your Application forms to above address. I am past Student from University Of Essex & I have done my Bachelors in International Relations in University of Colombo Sri Lanka. I came to do my post graduate studies at Essex university & I found quite a lot of career opportunities in Nursing. So I decided to change my Career into Nursing. Please send me the relevant details & Applications ASAP. Yours Sincerely Harini Dassanayaka
Harini Dassanayaka <sdassa@essex.ac.uk>
- Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 18:08:56 (BST)
WATCH OUT FOR WHITECOAT
He's helping the NHS set up yet another management propaganda site (NHS Intranet) to pull the wool over nurses' eyes and keep us working for piss-poor rates. NHS management think we're so stupid that we don't know the difference between pay rates and spin rates......
- Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 03:28:55 (BST)
Intranet
Hi I'm doing research into what people would like to be able to access on a new Intranet system in the nursing world and would welcome feedback. Any suggestions of what is needed on site would be really welcome. Ok?
whitecoat <healthsay@aol.com>
- Saturday, June 16, 2001 at 10:51:39 (BST)
hey
its been really boring in here lately. Lets get a bit of chat going. Any student nurses out there, where abouts in your training are you and how are you finding it????
alison
- Friday, June 15, 2001 at 21:55:52 (BST)
Hey Brutes!
Any of you looking for jobs? I am an RGN and manage the healthcare department for a company which recruits for large companies such as BMI. There are currently LOADS of vacancies in all specialities for all qualified nurses, so even if you aren't qualified yet, get ahead of the game and send me your cv: rebecca.payne@tvjobshop.com and don't forget to check out our website: tvjobshop.com Good luck!
Rebecca <rebecca.payne@tvjobshop.com>
- Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 11:31:02 (BST)
UNISON
WHERE WAS UNISON
- Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 02:21:22 (BST)
ICN Copenhagen
We wouold just like to tell everyone that ICN was an amazing excperience, and we were really lucky to be able to share nursing issues with students from all over the world. We look forward to sharing everything with you on our return, and especially about the exciting future for that lays ahead for students on an international level. The next ICN Congress will take place in Taiwan in 2005. Start saving your pennies, as it will be an experience not to miss.
Andy and Simon
- Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 17:34:43 (BST)
help!!
Does anybody have any good references for a qualitative research assignment? Just on the off chance! TA :)
kerry <kerry_camb@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 16:51:09 (BST)
Nearly finished
I finish in 21 weeks and 4 days and I would like to thank you all for the entertainment throughout my degree.
Kate <holleran@dcsi.net.au>
- Monday, June 11, 2001 at 14:54:36 (BST)
It's quiet lately on here!!
isn't it? So I will add some totally useles information - I'm pleased anyway!! I am just about going into my 2nd year of the Diploma and we have been given our holidays up until we finish, we don't do any Christmas's or New year's at all!! Excellent and about time they stopped exploiting us!! I will take great pleasure in being supernumery all the way through now!!
Anita
- Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 17:11:18 (BST)
hints for survivial
I'm starting a diploma course soon. Can anyone give me any hints on how to juggle the course and keep my family happy. Also can anyone that has done the Access to Health course tell me how much the standard of level 3 assignments for Access differs from the standard I will be expected to produce for diploma. Cheers X
Sylv <sylv91uk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 17:31:19 (BST)
Essay
Can anyone help! looking for info on ethics of heart disease and quotations on same. For essay due next week
Liz Cook <lizcook@blueyonder.co.uk>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 16:33:38 (BST)
Carla
I would advise you to do some work in a nursing home first, that will give you a good idea if you will like nursing, although, some areas of nursing are totally different, you will be able to see if you are good at communicating with people, this is essential and you will also see if you have a weak stomach or not!!! Mind you, I was squeamish so I attended a post mortem and that sorted that out!! I can face anything now! Also I did a GNVQ in Health and Social Care at college for 2 years and I find that this was perfect because a lot of the work in the first year, such as sociology and psychology, I had already done, so it has stood me in good stead. Good luck anyway.
Anita
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 10:55:27 (BST)
Anon
Greg is currently away on some well earned holiday....
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 09:51:40 (BST)
advice needed
im a year 12 student, and was thinking of choosing nursing to do as a career. Please tell me if this is a bad idea.
Carla <blink_surfer_83@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 04:58:12 (BST)
What moderator?
Apparently there's no moderator on this site.......Thornbury told me at RCN congress they just lit the touch-paper on Brutish and decided to stand well back.......but there's a webmaster called Greig who keeps the site up and running.....talk to us, Greig
anon
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 04:38:47 (BST)
Re: Maslow
Have a look in: Psychology - The Study of Mind and Behaviour, by Richard D. Gross. It is explained quite well in there. Good luck,
Donna
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 01:19:29 (BST)
re:essayhealp
i need some assistance with my essay and would like any info on maslow's theory of hierarchial needs. i also need info on down's syndrome and learning disability and communication
sharon <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 18:40:48 (BST)
WOW!
Hey this is a cool chat! I just started my nursing and my course is mad. Don;t know wee the hell all this refelctive practice is leading coz thats all we seem to do! Anyone else jusat started?
Amy <amyandamy_2000@hotmail.com>
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 17:34:07 (BST)
whoops!
I meant 'live' chat area
Donna
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 00:35:21 (BST)
to the moderator...
what are the chances of setting up a ive chat area? I think that most of us would appreciate this facility.
Donna
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 00:33:27 (BST)
anybody up?
chris <bromilowchristine@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 23:00:38 (BST)
(Coventry Uni)
I have just finished CFP and gone in the branch programme (halfway through 2nd year). I'm not apposed to hard work but i'm sure they want blood......lol. We've been given 2 x 2 1/2 thousand word essay and a hour long seminar. This goes with working 5 days a week on the wards as well. So anyone thats been led to believe it gets easier as the course proceeds....WRONG.....lol. Working another weekend job and having kids add to it all.....anyway i've had my gripe for the day......Feel much better now....RIGHT back to the essays...lol
kim
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 19:45:56 (BST)
renee
i really disliked some of my ward placements, but i managed to get my last two in the community, i was given more responsibility and supervison - as opposed to "nip down to pharmacy and collect a prescription for me". but the further you go into your training the more interesting it gets and staff become more interested in training you - well this is my experience. good luck
anne-marie
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:51:16 (BST)
Salaries..
OK fair point, scrap my last posting. Can you really earn 20-30K at PC World? Anybody got the address?!
Donna
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 14:29:48 (BST)
Food for thought....
I saw an advert in Burger King offering their trainee managers a starting salary of £17K, Police recruits start on 17K+, kids from school can go and work in PC World and earn 20K-30K straight out of the box - I'm sure there are plenty of others
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 08:23:05 (BST)
P.S....food for thought...
How many other courses can you think of that give you 3yrs to complete a diploma (most are normally only 2 years max). And how many jobs give you a starting wage of K15+ wihtout a degree? Most post-graduates start on less than that...
Donna
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:33:05 (BST)
Renee
I know that feeling! I'm going into my second year and will have done 26 weeks of placement. I enjoy nursing in itself, but hate the shift work, even though I've never had a job in 10 years that doesn't involve unsociable hours. However, I can't think of any 9-5 job that I would enjoy any more than this. I see my training as a means-to-an-end. By that, I mean that I know where I want to go when I've trained (palliative care - which is still far from 'normal' hours). You've got to ask yourself what you would do if you weren't nursing. Can you think of any other job/profession that you could see yourself doing, are you prepared to do the relevant training and would you be any happier? You mention research, if you are really interested in this area then you are going to have to complete your training anyway. What about nurse teaching? That way you are still involved with nursing and research but get better hours. Basically what I am saying is that if you haven't any other ideas, stick with the training and go on from there, afterall what's another year?. If however, you have another realistic career path then go for that - if, and only if, you're sure. Take it from someone who is nearly 32yrs and has never stuck with anything - you may regret not finishing. Have you spoken to your personal tutor? Good luck to you for your future,
Donna
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:19:24 (BST)
ps
I think ward routines and attitudes of staff are enough to put any would-be nurse off!!!!!
Anita
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 18:51:32 (BST)
Oh Dear Renee
Oh what a predicament! I don't know what the best option is, my gut instinct says stick with it because you can do more with the qualification than work in the hospital - do you fancy going on to do health visiting or something? Perhaps you will still need some experience post-reg though, I don't know. I feel sometimes that I am doing the wrong thing, then, something happens that boosts my ego a bit and I feel ok about it again... I don't know it is difficult. Good luck
Anita
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 18:50:00 (BST)
Asking for advise
I'm wondering if anyone could help me. I'm going into my third year of nursing, and hate it. I've done placements at the hospital and realize how much nursing isn't for me. I only have one year left and feel I should finish my last year and get my diploma, but I dread next year, especially my placements. Does anybody have any advise on what I should do? Maybe suggest placements that involve more research and community work. Please don't just tell me to quit. Renee
Renee <reneevaillancourt@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 03:34:23 (BST)
help
i am doing an assingment on learning disability and want to know where i can find the white papaer that applies to learning disability as the net is huge!
sharon <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 22:06:24 (BST)
the catheter from hell
The first one has to be the worst. Attaching the drainage system, I managed to hit my instructor in the throat and beard. Nevermind me, I only got it in the eyes and uniform. After he had shampooed the beard, he found me asking the unit manager where I was supposed to clean my eyes. Half an hour of eyeflushing. Patient, student nurse, and instructor survived. It can only get better????
- Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 00:59:03 (BST)
nursing places
When I applied for the diploma in Feb last year I'd heard that I would probably have to try a few times to get in. Not so, I had my interview in Feb 2000 and started my course in June 2000. So don't worry it isn't the same everywhere.
Anita
- Monday, June 04, 2001 at 14:55:25 (BST)
Dear Jackie
You have made it this far to give up now. Just keep doing a good job--grin and bear it-- and know you will be a good nurse one day! Good Luck to You!!
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 23:43:13 (BST)
Jane, if it's any consolation, it is hard to find a nursing spot anywhere. Here in Canada, they are admitting to courses, mainly on high school marks. Mature students are having to redo high school exams and have first year university credits to get on the course. Unfortunately, life experience isn't valued too much and as a result, a lot of 18 year olds drop out within the first year. An essay on why you want to be a nurse hardly explains your maturity level and attitude towards life. On my course, all the young "my mum's a nurse, I come from a family of nurses" have left. My class started out at 72 and we are down to 49. They wonder why there is a shortage, I think its because sometimes they just don't screen the applicants well enough. I'm tired and 42 and I will make it. Might not recognize my kids, husband, dog or lover (well OK I exaggerate, but you know what I mean!!!!) If you really want it try your best and don't give up, learn to sell yourself and if all else fails, remember alot of the time its an "old girls" club to get in. Hard to believe, but the interviewer might not like you, but it happened in one of my interviews. They felt I had too much life experience and was not used to working in a subordinate position. Just keep trying!!
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 21:17:30 (BST)
Student Places again
In addition to my message below - reading the Times today I read of a teenager who failed to find a place on a nursing course despite top level grade in 10 GCSEs. She applied to 4 universities within a month of getting her results in September but was told that courses were ALREADY oversubscribed. When she checked at more than 70 other higher education establishments she discovered their courses were full too. ??????? How can these courses be full already if she is applying in September, the start of the NMAS admissions period? Just what does it take to become a nurse these days? Just how hard is it going to be for me to get in?
Jane
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 18:56:06 (BST)
Student Places
Ref. article in this weeks Nursing Standard on bursary restrictions for overseas students. To quote "According to a council survey of ten universities in the two regions, a third of the students starting nursing diploma courses this September are from outside the European Union". As I am applying shortly to join a nursing diploma course this made me wonder about the selection procedure for the courses at universities and colleges. Is priority given to British candidates? Are so many overseas students accepted because there are not enough British students to fill the places? If the UK bursary for non EU residents is ended on Nov 1 does this mean that more places will generally be available? I have the right qualifications to enter nursing but it is a bit worrying to see from NMAS that out of the 39,034 applications in 99/00 only 14,819 were offered places. (If the Nursing Standard article is correct this means that less than 10,000 British students began a diploma course in 99/00). Are there really only 14,819 places available over the whole of the country?
Jane
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 16:30:54 (BST)
am interested in nursing training
Dear sir am really interested in the nursing training .Am a Mauritian and have take part in an SC exams and my qualification are SUBJECT GRADE ENGLISH 7 FRENCH 7 MATHEMATICS 9 ACCOUNTING 3 BUSINESS STU 8 VISUAL ARTS 5 ISLAMIC CUL 8
muhomud khaleed <k_muhomud80@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 09:32:13 (BST)
Not a "real nurse"
It was recently National Nurses week. A couple of the Doctors ordered in Pizza for the Nurses. We students were asked to leave the staff room "as the food is for the real nurses!" Guess that means we don't have to "really" be there on time and willing to do the grunt work....
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 03:10:48 (BST)
Reply to denise regarding HCA's
I agree entierly with what u have to say about professionalism! I'ts an awfull experience though it's like being bullied and i have to say that at the moment on clinical placements i have been on i am experiencing it im thinking of finishing my training because of it. I don't mind pitching in to help but there is more to nursing than commodes all the time! Trouble is u don't want to say anything incase it makes matters worse but if these staff are not compassionate what on earth are they doing nursing ?????? I dont like to be beat i have 4 children and am insulin dependant and have come this far i really don't want to give in but when your not made to feel part of the team what can u do ? ? ? ?
Jackie <WhKat@aol.com.uk>
- Friday, June 01, 2001 at 19:37:38 (BST)
Miss Nightingales Suggestions!!! Dolan 1968 states that....
Improvement for the nursing services of hospitals.... "A nurse should do nothing but nurse. If you want a charwoman, hire one". It was her feeling that the hospital enviroment should encourage the nurse to nurse rather than to frustrate and thwart her efforts. PREMATURE RESPONSIBILITY and OVERWORK were recognised as DANGERS to sound growth and frequentley encouraged the student to become disinterested in nursing.
Jackie <WhKat@aol.com.uk>
- Friday, June 01, 2001 at 19:17:07 (BST)