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hi! everyone
hi!l just got admission to study nursing at south bank university.l am to start in may.please is there anyone at south bank,who could tell me howits like over there? l am really excited.what is there to expect?l would like to know how the schools like?all about lectures,assignments,etc. l just discovered this nurses {student}archives. l must say its really impressive.so once again l say hello to everyone.please if there is anything l should expect as a fresher{new student}please do tell me. love chika.
chika <chikaosuji@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 21:30:40 (GMT)
reply to sarah
Just wanted to say please don't get me worong I fully understand the importance of communication with patients. Communication skills are vital and are of great importance to anyone within the nursing profession. I should really have thought of a better example for my point. I have to admit at the time of writting it I was in bad mood as a result of a bad day. Next time I promise to think more before I write. Best of luck with starting the new job. :)
nerys <nerys_clarke@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 19:06:06 (GMT)
It does not work!
No, not just the RCN but the web address given as well! Must go, flat Earth society set to launch shocking results of 'spherical Earth'survey!
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 18:53:31 (GMT)
RCN STUDENT HARDSHIP SURVEY
After a great deal of hard work the RCN ANS is pleased to launch both our survey findings and our students lobbying tool kit both are available online and the address is www.rcn.org.uk/students/studresource/student_hardship.htm. Below is a summary of the survey findings togther with the RCN's official position on funding. It would appear that a General Election is imminent and we urge all students to support our campaign and lobby anyone of influence they may be feeling rather generous at the moment. OUr findings and position are different to UNISON but the one thing we can agree pon is that student nurses are worth more and deserve more Let's try and achieve it. Student Hardship Survey (Jan 2001) The modernisation plans for the NHS set out ambitious targets which will only be achievable with the right number of skilled nursing staff. With over 22,000 whole-time equivalent vacancies across the UK, today's nursing and midwifery students are essential to the future of health care. However the pressure nursing students is such that many who start courses will never become registered nurses. Student hardship has a key part to play in this. Employment Research was commissioned to undertake this survey by the RCN in order to explore in more detail the financial circumstances of nursing students, so that the best solutions to student hardship could be formulated. The Government is currently reviewing the NHS bursary system for nursing and midwifery students in England, and a similar review is due to take place in Scotland. There are currently no plans for reviews in Wales or Northern Ireland although it is likely that the assemblies of Wales and Northern Ireland will look carefully at the findings of the English and Scottish reviews. Conclusions The survey found that 58 per cent of nursing students have considered leaving their course. Of these, 76 per cent cite financial hardship as a contributing factor. This is high compared with the wider student body - recent Government research indicates that only ten per cent of full-time students have considered leaving for financial reasons. Nursing and midwifery students have a much older age profile than other students. The average age of nursing students surveyed is 29, with a half of all nursing students aged over 25. A third of nursing students starting degree courses are aged over 25, compared with just 16 per cent starting other health degrees and one in ten across all degree subjects. Over a third (35%) of nursing students have children living with them and 14 per cent have other caring responsibilities. Just under a third of students in the survey with children are lone parents. The average level of debt for all nursing students surveyed is £2,510. Three out of four student nurses surveyed are in debt. The average level of debt for only those with debt is £3,400. Nearly a third of all respondents have a debt of more than £3,000. Students who have considered leaving the course have significantly higher levels of debt than those who have not considered leaving. The most favoured option for the outcome of the current funding review is to have an improved NHS bursary system whilst retaining supernumerary status. Three quarters of those surveyed chose this option. Recommendations The RCN calls for: Substantially increased and non-means tested bursary for all nursing and midwifery students. The level must reflect the true costs of being a nursing student and ensure not only that nursing students do not have to face hardship, but that it is a feasible and attractive career option. Consideration should be given to a graduated bursary, increasing in the final year to reflect the increased costs of increased clinical placement time. Increased allowances for mature students and for those with dependants. Parity between degree and diploma students, both in type and level of bursary and in length of academic year. Access to student loans and hardship funds for all nursing students.
ANS
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 16:15:57 (GMT)
ANS
I was reading this site and noticed that someone had mentioned my name, and I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself and let you know a little bit about what I do. I am a third year child branch student at DeMontfort University in Leicester, and in October last year had the opportunity of being co-opted onto the ANS Executive group to represent the North of England, and to the best of anyone's ability try to establish ANS activity and awareness within the Trent Region, where I am based. At first I was reluctant to take on such a role, as I knew that I would be going into my third year, and that there would be a lot of extra work involved. However, I also felt priveleged that I would have the opportunity to help in my own best capability to raise awareness to the student nurse issues within my regions. It is no easy task starting from scratch, however, I hope that I can start the ball rolling, in raising awareness of the ANS within the regions. I cover the Universities in the Trent Region i.e. Leicester, Nottinghamm, Derby, Sheffield and all satelite sites, and also in the North East regions i.e. Teeside, Newcastle, Leeds, Doncaster. There is still lots of development taking place, i.e. contacting all the Universities and introducing myself, however, I am still a student nurse myself, and this all has to take place mostly in my own time and having to take time off from placements. There are ways in which students can help themselves in the meantime. 1. Set up a student group that meets together to discuss issues within their University. Also invite tutors to come adn listen. 2. Elect some RCN student stewards who have a similar role to full time RCN stewards, who can represent students who may have problems with placements, accomodation, travel etc. There is a weekend training course to look at some of these issues. Any students interested can contact me and I can give details of local and national events. 3. Through the Students Union it is possible to set up a Nursing Society. It will be possible to apply for a budget and using this money hold social events, nursing events and visit other nursing societies. 4. Within the region it is possible to start a regional forum, where you meet with students from other Universities, and look at tackling problems within the region together, and to also hear other views, and how students might have dealt with similar problems. It is not always neccessary to feel isolated within your University. Utilise the strength of other students who may have dealt with similar issues, and feel free to contact me via email or my mobile number: 07967 105 988. ThankYou for your patience. If you are interested in the work of the ANS and would like to get more involved, then please contact me, where I can give you more information. Cheers Simon
Simon Hardcastle <Hardc21@yahoo.com>
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 13:48:38 (GMT)
however
you do need to know how to communicate with a patient before you even go near them!!!!!let alone changing a simple dressing!
sarah
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 01:11:10 (GMT)
reply to Nerys
yes uni does put theory before practical nursing skills. Thats why , as a newly qualified nurse, starting my first job next week i am cr***ing myself!!!! i can write you a fantastic essay on research, handwashing, pain etc etc. however i dont have a clue about how to perform a cvp reading or what an arterial line is!!!!!! as for the new curriculum, i went on my first placement after 3 weeks in college and stayed there for 9 weeks. we were always told that the course was 50/50 (how they worked that out i dont know!) so dont hold your breath. as for the CFP, we had to do 18 mths of that, its about time they shortened that. I can remember my essay on downs syndrome screening word for word, what use that will be to me, on an ICU ward heaven only knows!
sarah
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 01:05:17 (GMT)
all those wonderfull skills labs, shame we hardly get chance to use them!!!
kaye
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 21:07:49 (GMT)
Theory
Does anyone else feel that there uni seems to put theory over the practical side of nursing??? I want to learn basic skills, things I can put to use on placement. A patient who needs an injection doesn't want to know about Pavlos dogs, so why do I have to learn about them. Am i just old fashioned wanting to do the practical hands on side?? Do things change later on into the course. I only started in september but my mentor on first placement was suprised I didn't know how to make a bed, or even give a bed bath. Surley the theory is no good with out the practical basics? Whats the point in knowing how to communicate with a patient if you can't even change a simple dressing?? Please tell me I'm not mad in thinking this, and that there a light at the end of the dark tunnel called Project 2000.
Nerys <nerys_clarke@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 20:58:04 (GMT)
why???
Having had a very bad day and feeling that I must be a dunce for not understanding about cells and the stupid phospholip bilayer, can anyone actually tell me why I might need to know all about the working of a cell? When I know little if any basic skills. I know I only started last september but already I wonder why I wanted to be a nurse. Also why do they teach me Psychology and Sociology when I couldn't even tell you how to make a bed or administer an injection. Maybe I'm being a dunce again but surly basic skills are more important than what Pavlov did with dogs??? Is there anyone who can PLEASE tell me things will get better and that I'm not the only one who sits there thinking WHY??
Nerys <nerys_clarke@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 20:24:32 (GMT)
new curriculum
just an addition to mark's earlier comments. my university is also piloting the new curriculum, we do 9 weeks in uni and then an 8 weeks on placement. we do a total of 23 weeks in clinical practice in the first year covering all four branches and also maternity care. The CFP lasts one year only,even if you choose to leave at this point(after succesfull completion) you will be qualified to work as an NVQ level 3 healthcare assistant aswell as having gained 120 academic credits. The course consists of 50% theory 50% practice and includes an 18 week placement at the end of the course to help you adjust from being a student to a newly qualified nurse.
rachel
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 19:11:34 (GMT)
help me decide
Hi there. I am hoping that someone can help me with my first essay. One is on health and safety and I cannot decide whether to do needle stick injuries or hand washing. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions. Also has anyone found any good literature on either. Please help as this is my first essay ahhhhhhhhh
kate <kate.taylor@unn.ac.uk>
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 18:27:50 (GMT)
New curriculum
Wag. New cuuriculum is currently only at a number of universities throughout England. From what we wrere told it is 50% theory 50% practical. Practice placements are longer and you are only in the nursing school/uni for 6 weeks before you attend your first placement. Our first placements have been 6 weeks long and your first placements is the branch that you have chosen ie Adult, mental health, learning dis, child. The first placement is also an acute setting. It is ,so far, going well and it is enjoyable. We have had a lot of support and from what other students have told me it sounds a lot better
mark
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 14:43:09 (GMT)
What does the new curriculam involve? I am due to start nurse training in February.Would be grateful for any info.
wag
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 14:29:28 (GMT)
New currciculum
We are currently on the new curriculum diploma in nursing. The course sounds much better than the old course but some of the lecturers are confused as well. Anyone else on the new curriculum? How are they finding it?
Mark and Jacquie
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 11:06:08 (GMT)
I have found during my two years of training that there is a huge lack of support out there for student nurses. Has anyone else found this? When I needed help last September I called upon the uni who didn't want to know and the RCN who were no help at all.
Clare <clarespike@hotmail.com>
- Monday, January 29, 2001 at 21:16:20 (GMT)
Qualifying
Just to vent a little frustration really - my group is due to qualify on the 18th March, and we handed in two assignments recently, on the 11th Dec, and 5th Jan. Current college story is that they have not decided *when* they will publish a pass list, despite the fact they have already set resubmission dates for those who fail - in four weeks time.God, doncha just love 'em???Well I've posted on here rather than keep ringing people up to find out more, as I am finding it very difficult not to be extremely abusive to all concerned - doesn't go with the caring image really does it...
studentjane <amd2001@btinternet.com>
- Monday, January 29, 2001 at 20:36:42 (GMT)
NEW STUDENT PAGE
Check out the new student nurse page at british-nursing.com........
peter mandelson
- Monday, January 29, 2001 at 17:51:32 (GMT)
Christine Harcombe
Look up references for the work of Jennifer Raiman. This nurse used body outline charts controlled by patients for pain control Jennifer worked at the Royal London Hospital and did this research in the 1980's, but the work was ground breaking and still valid.
Ray Rowden <ray@rolf99.freeserve.co.uk>
- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 23:42:04 (GMT)
Christine Harcombe
Hello, I have found a brilliant website which I have used a lot for my assignments. http://www.findarticles.com. In fact I got an article from there about PCA just literally type in PCA and it should produce something for you! and also another good site is the Nursing Standard archives: http://www.nursing-standard.co.uk/archives
Lynette
- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 20:14:03 (GMT)
Care assistant
Ive never been a care assistant! I dont want to be one either! I want to be a staff nurse its really so much fun
- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 18:35:49 (GMT)
Ha! Just wait until you are a student nurse and watch the Care Assistants look down on YOU!!! Believe me it happens all too often, they hate you for gettin 'above your station'. Yes we have all been Care Assistants too!
- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 17:04:23 (GMT)
Airing my views!!!
For the past 5 and a half years, I have been working at a Nursing Home in Southport, Merseyside. I am nearing the end of aquiring my NVQ3.I would like to express my views about the relationship between people like me (unqualified HCA!) and Qualified nursing staff at the local hospital. There are times when myself or other staff have to accompany residents to the hospital for check up's and appointments with their consultants. I often find, as my fellow workers do, that the hospital staff (i.e qualified) tend to sort of look down their noses at us mere 'care assistants', when, in reality, we are on far less pay than them, and do the same work as they do - if not more!! I find it disgusting that we are made to feel belittled in this way, as we ALL play a role in the care of a particular patient. Also, as I work in quite a small home, and therefore the patient/staff bond is that much stronger, patients who have spent time in hospital have said how relieved they are to return to the home, to be back with us, as a lot of the time, hospital staff don't tell them what's going on and can sometimes can be quite rude and 'flippant' in nature towards them. I understand that nurses work very hard, and do long hours and overtime etc - but surely patients deserve the best and most respectful treatment possible - (and that includes attitude towards them) I am going to begin my nurse training shortly, and will treat care assistants who accompany residents to the hospital with the respect we so rightly deserve. I'm not tarring all nurses with the same brush, as I believe they can't all have that 'I'm-so-much-better-than-you' attitude! I was inspired to write this after reading a message from Donna (donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk) from back in December, who said that Student Nurses can learn a lot from Health Care Assistants as very often they form the backbone of a ward team. Thanks Donna for sticking up for us - we work bloody long days too, and have to deal with a lot, and never seem to get the praise or appreciation we deserve. Thanks for letting me vent my spleen at y'all....that's all!
Pennie Dawson <pennie.dawson@mail.com>
- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 14:12:18 (GMT)
ELECTIVE PLACEMENT
To anyone out there!!! I'm looking to do an elective placment somewhere in England and would like to do palliative care. If you have any suggestions, please contact me!!!
lisa hickman <lisa.hickman@student.shu.ac.uk>
- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 14:05:58 (GMT)
Help needed
Hi i am a first year student and would appriciate some advice with the biopsychosocial essay in module 4. Can anyone suggest resources that will help me.
Sharon Drummond <sharondrumond@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 17:11:40 (GMT)
Patient Controlled Analgesia
I am a third year student at Liverpool University. I am currently looking for articles for my dissertation, which is on patient's attitudes to Patient-controlled analgesia. Does anyone have any relelvant information or references? Thanks Christine Harcombe (3rd Year BN Student)
Christine Harcombe <charcombe@yahoo.com>
- Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 09:55:47 (GMT)
Bev Malone
Sorry Helen, you are wrong. I have shared a platform with Bev on a number of occasions. She is a woman of immense courage, and a passionate advocate for the rights of patients and the rights of nurses. There is no danger that the UK will adopt US style healthcare. Bev Malone will be a breath of fresh air in the UK and I think it is great that we are getting her. If you want a flavour of her style see www.societyguardian.co.uk and click on health stories. Bev Malone is a woman who speaks powefully and plainly. As a critic of the Rcn and of the shortlisting for the post, I say without reservations, this is good news for the Rcn.
Ray Rowden <ray@rolf99.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 21:04:26 (GMT)
been off the scene for a bit what is happenin' t'morrow can anyone tell me? I wrote a letter to Mr. Blair last week 'cos I got so peed off with everything and I got a reply today! He says that I raised some interesting points and he has past the letter on to the DoH. Well I am sure it is no the first I am just amused that he read it because it was a rant which I wrote after a shitty day! By the way I have decided to continue my training even though I will be at least £10,000 in debt by the end of it! good luck to everyone. Please tell me what is going on tomorrow!
Lynette
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 20:00:06 (GMT)
and again eh???????????
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 19:54:29 (GMT)
Eh??????????????????????????????????????
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 17:03:26 (GMT)
US View of Beverley Malone
I have never heard of Beverley Malone. If she is from the largest association she would have to be from the American Nursing Association. And God help you if that is what you are getting. The ANA is not helpful to bedside nurses, concentrating instead on getting advanced practice nurses more abilities to take roles that are traditionally the role of the physician. That is why things are such a mess here, they seem to think that all nurses should have advanced degrees, which will enable them to leave the bedside, as if we haven't had enough nurses leave the bedside. I have called a friend of mine in Virginia that is real familiar with the ANA and its top nurses to see if he knows who she is. What is puzzling to me is why the RNC would want to hire an American nurse? I know we are better paid and our system is different and maybe that is what they are trying to bring in, but still it puzzles me some. Just seems odd. Why? Because the system here is going to implode if we don't get some changes soon. The demographics of an aging nurse workforce, and an aging population at the same time is going to overload the system. I am sorry that I didn't get back with you on your last email. What I can tell you is that the system here, is not any better than it is there. In my opinion it is better there is terms of what patients can get. Here if you can't afford it or don't have insurance than you are out of luck. Hospitials across the country are facing backruptcy, particularly in the large inner cities. The reimbursement they get back for services are not enough, whether that is through private insurance or govt reimbursement. The only people winning in our system is the insurance companies that are making money hand over fist. They and the large healthcare providers like Tenat and Columbia/HCA. These companies come in take over, automatically slash nursing staff, as well as support staff like transport, unit secretaries etc.. and expect nursing to pick up the slack. We are dealing with patient loads that are too large based on the acuity of the patient, and if there isn't enough staff than nurses are simply required to stay over, under threat of being reported for patient abandonment if they refuse to stay. That is what managed care has brought the US. Patients are allowed to stay in the hospital for only so many days based on their dx, and then they are discharged, rather they are really ready to go or not. This has particularly affected the older patient population, that is unlikely to have other resources, so they end up in nursing homes, that are a nightmare in themselves. Never enough staff, never enough resources. I know there are many american nurses that do not believe in universal healthcare, they don't feel it is up to us to take care of those that don't want to work, in their words, yet in this country, one of the wealthiest in the world, we have over 40 million working that can't afford insurance. What do those that can't afford insurance do? They go through the Emergency Room, the most expensive point of entry in the system, because they often have no access to healthcare any other way. Who pays for that anyway? Those that don't want to pay for others to have the same benefits. They pay for it through increased insurance premiums. So reality is we are paying for it already, but not in such a way that we are able to offer decent healthcare to everyone. It is crazy. It makes me angry that in a country that has so many right wing christian fundamentalists, we still won't take care of those that cannot take care of themselves. Too many of the christian leaders of this country are too much like the high priests of the temple during Jesus' time, more concerned with their power and prestige than in truly helping those in need. Hence we get the Republican party. Just my personal observation there. I don't know if I can handle 4 years of President Bush. I hope he gets the same treatment that Clinton got from the right wing. Anyway back to the subject, LOL. This is a link to some good information from a Doctor that is from South Africa, trained in England, lives in Australia. Lots of info there, but it is good, and hopefully can help you. www.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/health/central.html I believe you can contact the physician through this as well. He had a son die in Singapore, and when he got to looking at things what he found appalled him. If the system in England goes to what is in America, then it is the bottom line dollars that becomes the most important, not the patient, and certainly not the nurse. I really urge you to look at this link as the doc is coming from the system persepctive that is what England and Australia basicly have now. I think you will find it useful. If I find out anything from my friend on this Beverly Malone I will pass it on. Sounds like England wants to imitate America, I don't believe that is going to be the answer. Not for the nurses, and certainly not for the patients.
Helen Cook
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 15:58:09 (GMT)
To the student nurse and single mum
I agree totally, we all deserve a far better deal. I'm based in Exeter and although I'm not going to be one of those who meet the government MP's tomorrow feel just as strongly as those who will representing our views. I took part in one of UNISON's sleep outs back in October and remember how the local MP told us then we should consider ourselves lucky we didn't pay tuition fees. Well, thanks to all those who have been active in lots of different ways - not just moaning - the government is beginning to move our way. Well done to everyone who has found some time (in between trying to pay their bills, study, and do their placements!)to contribute to the campaign. Last week we met up with our local MP again and boy has he changed his tune!!!! I'll let you all know what they say tomorrow.....
Sarah Roles <S.Roles@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 14:26:49 (GMT)
its not only mature students who have responsibilities
i wish all student nurses/midwives who will be campaigning on saturday my admiration and best wishes, however please don't forget, it is not only mature students who struggle to support their families on a bursary.
student nurse and single mum - age 20
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 22:28:00 (GMT)
Pain references
Use the NRE online nursing database to search through more than 10,000 nursing-related websites. I found 131 sites listed but you can focus your search using 'AND', 'OR' & 'AND NOT'. Check out the top of the Nursing Portal or The Portfolio of British Nursing Web Sites.
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 22:17:25 (GMT)
Hello there!
Hey there,just a little message to say 'hello' to everyone.I just stumbled across this page whilst searching for info on'pain management' for module 9 assignment.If anyone has any good web pages or references on pain/pain management it would really be helpful,cheers Theresa
Theresa <nfyutln@nottingham.ac.uk>
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 21:04:54 (GMT)
student nurse calling for help on first essay
Hi there, I'm a first year student at uni and have been given my esay question. I haven't got a clue. I cannot reference and Idon't know how to write one. My essays are on Communication skill and there importance and also health and safety. I'm thinking of doing handwashing so has anyone any info of know any good books. Please help
kate taylor <kate.taylor@unn.ac.uk>
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 18:52:32 (GMT)
nursingtimes.net
Student nurses to lobby MPs over inadequate bursaries Nursing and midwifery students are to lobby MPs this Saturday over the appalling poverty they are suffering due to inadequate bursaries. Six nurses and midwifery students are to recount their own stories of living on the breadline to MPs in the west country, including Paymaster General Dawn Primarolo. They will also present 60 case studies collected by Unison outlining the financial hardships suffered by students aged 23 to 39.
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 18:23:55 (GMT)
HELP!!!!!!! Need Information concerning NURSING IN ENGLAND
Hi. I'm from Mississippi and I am doing a cultural project and i would love if any of you could email me with info. concerning nursing in England. I need to know how nurses are perceived there. I need to know what specific duties are under their job title. i need to know exactly how you go about getting your licensure. i need to know what type salary you make. i need to know if nursing is more female oriented or if the male population in nursing is increasing. I need to know how your health care system works. I need to know anything that you could be so kind as to help me with. I would really appreciate it very much. I think communicating with you guys would be more eye opening than actually looking up boring information. thanks so much. I'd appreciate any info!!! Donna
Donna Woods <dwlpn@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 17:44:48 (GMT)
RCN Stitch up
of course its going to be a stitch up Ray. You couldn't expect the RCN big nobs to allow the plebs to choose their leader - they might choose someone totally unsuitable. That unsuitable person might even end up listening to members - heaven forbid!
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 13:22:20 (GMT)
RCN STITCH UP?
The Rcn is appointing a new general secretary today. The Guardian paper and web site have given this some coverage today. Take a look at www,guardiansociety.co.uk and click on health to see the latest!
ray rowden <ray@rolf99.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 21:50:09 (GMT)
hello
how is the training and politics going? or should I just not ask????????
Lynette
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 21:33:27 (GMT)
Nursing feature
I'm writing a feature for publication in a national concerning the future of nursing. Would anyone interested in commenting on the state of British nursing please e-mail me at kinge6@cardiff.ac.uk. Many thanks, ed king.
Ed King <Kinge6@cf.ac.uk>
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 15:24:54 (GMT)
New Channel 5 Show
Hi, Endemol the producers of Big Brother, Changing Rooms and Pepsi Chart Show are making a new show for Channel 5 called Under Pressure and we are looking for nurses. The show comprises of many elements and has many different strands but the two we would be intrested in using nurses for is: 1) FRIENDS UP - Groups of 6 people (must include at least one female) who are physacially fit and up for a laugh and want the chance to win a £6000 holiday? 2) WHEEL BARROW - In pairs, one pushing and one sitting in the barrow you go around our course, if successful you get the chance to play on the tower where you can win up to £1000. We are looking for any combination of people, friends, housemates, workmates, family..... anything goes really as long as your fun and up for a laugh. But we would love to have some nurses involved as I think they would be very entertaining. If was wondering if you would be intrested or can suggest somenone who I could contact? I look forward to hearing from you, Clodagh Tel: 0207 462 9550 Mail: clodagho@endemoluk.com
Clodagh <clodagho@endemoluk.com>
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 11:06:46 (GMT)
Insomnia
And a bad conscience too, thats MY problem - perhaps euthanasia IS the answer for many of us.
Mature Student <da@daftasabrush.com>
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 04:30:07 (GMT)
Euthanasia
Watching star treck (i know very very sad!!) they featured a story about euthanasia. I would be interested in anyones opinions on the subject. For no other reson than im just a nosey git!
Dave Hawthorn <dt@madasafish.com>
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 19:35:44 (GMT)
Trouble at Work
UNISON has launched somewhere to go on the web for up-to-date info and advice on work problems. troubleatwork.org.uk aims to help people who don't know where to turn when things go pear-shaped - with special sections for nursing & midwifery students on all areas of college life, your time on placements, and agency or bank work. The site allows you, the user, to sift through questions and answers covering all aspects of employment, from how to motivate yourself and when to take screen breaks through to how to deal with a bullying boss or your rights to a written contract. If you tell us what you do and/or choose a keyword to what you're looking for, our search engine will find your answer in a trice. You can also click 'show all topics' for a complete list of Q&As. If we don't have the answer to your question - you can ask us. We'll put our experts on to it and email you when we've added the answer to the site. A lot of the information on the site is relevant to anyone working in the UK. But soon we'll be adding new specialist sections for a wider range of jobs and people - so if you're not a working student or a nursing student, and can't find specific answers to your problem, check back soon. Trouble at Work is a joint initiative by UNISON and the National Union of Students. Drawing on UNISON's skills and knowledge and developed with Poptel, the co-operative ISP, the Trouble at Work aims to become the best place on the Internet to find help and advice for work-based problems. ----Dominic Forristal
www.troubleatwork.org.uk <D.Forristal@unison.co.uk>
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 15:14:33 (GMT)
I WANT A MALE NURSE
Hello, sorry to disappoint u all but I need help! I am looking for a couple of male nurse to give me an insite into what life is like for a male nurse- the up's the down's and all the bits in between! It is for a case study that I am doing. PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU CAN!!! Thank you Love Anna
Anna <annadeeks@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 13:52:20 (GMT)
To Adam
As long as you can tie your own shoelaces and sign your name you'll get accepted
Lucy
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 13:43:59 (GMT)
the ANS - representing students!!!!!!!!!!
Since when has the ANS represented students? Here was me thinking all they did was represent vested interests and their own political careers. At no time will they attempt to defend/justify/explain ANS/RCN policy on open sites like this instead choosing to hide behind the protection of the 'student moderator' on the main RCN website. The only reason they even mention student hardship is because they were caught out on the hop by UNISON.
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 11:46:26 (GMT)
Political stomping ground
To new student: the NHS is the UK's last and greatest political stomping ground for socialism.......and it attracts dedicated and passionate professional people (thank goodness).......as well as cynical jobsworths and the political appointees who run it (not so good).......you've got to expect some rough and tumble in the debate.......
Old student
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 07:50:06 (GMT)
New Student
Sorry about the splenetic writing, I have been on the course three years, and I am being threatened with the option of working as an NA for the next weeks even months while this 'mysterious' action is sorted out. I hope you could see how that could chafe a little, it certainly seems to be irritating my bank manager...
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 23:26:43 (GMT)
Thanks for the confidence guys!!!!!!!!!!
At the risk of being viewed as a complete and utter chat pooper, I must say that I have been shocked and stunned at viewing the last three weeks of chat on here!!!! It appears to me that you guys (Roger and Nic) have made your points, and I'm sure that most of us agree with you plight, and may well suffer a similar experience at some point of our training. However, for a site that is aimed at putting people in touch with each other for support and such like, I can see nothing but a political slagging ground...... With 2.5 years to go it only adds to the disillusionment of what I have actually let myself in for.... as for the language....TIMOTHY!!!!, (and I'm no angel) but it really makes me wonder what sort of people are heading into the future of the NHS (or not as the case maybe). So apart from the fact that I think this slagging match is going on far too long, and as per usual it is you blokes who are the worst culprits.... lets try and instill some confidence in us new students.... all I can say is that I recommended this site to colleages just before christmas and the feed back today was that it was a waste of time and just a cover for a political stomping ground.... Come on peeps, lets get down to business, and if its not too much trouble try to air a bit of positivity to those who are trying to make a start, or need some inspiration to carry on until the end..... Please???????????????...... TTFN
new student
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 22:29:12 (GMT)
"Congratulations" to Roger & Kris, i didn't know you were expecting a baby! I'm he/she will be absolutely gorgeous.
Maria Allsop <maria.allsop@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 22:26:51 (GMT)
Well thanx for the reply Gareth, and im glad that you made me aware that the RCN?ANS is concerned with national issues and not with local issues. Thats something that im more than aware of. The RCN/ANS has done sod all for me or for my course mates, obviously they were busy doing something more important, like having more meetings etc The reason that Roger is as you so eloquently put it 'pig headedly independent' is that because we have been constantly let down by the RCN/ANS. Nothing at my university has changed in the three years that i have been a member of the RCN. Students still get treated appallingly on clinical placements, they still get paid a pittance, the syllabus is still as wide and varied between universities as it ever was. There is still no generall consensus on the way forward. The bodies that represent us have failed so often that failure is regarded as the norm. So it is not surprising that individuals feal that they have to do things on their own, but rather than praising them for ACTUALLY making a small but noticable differance you seek to make fun of and crticise. Nice touch i wonder if Roger was not as vocal a critic of the RCN as he is what your response would be? And yes the children are due in April!!!!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 18:47:10 (GMT)
Rumours abound
Hey Gareth, have you heard that there is a rumour about poor pay and conditions in Student nursing! If you move at the same pace that the ANS has since last year, you may be able to acknowledge the fact before the next millenium! The reason I take the piss is that you are soooooo busy toeing the RCN 'do nothing' policy, that you achieve nothing. I achieved a few small victories by simply doing something, it wasn't rocket science and what was done was pretty obviously for the benefit of all. I was not required to insert my head up my own rectum to do so, but simply to pick up the phone or drop an e-mail to someone to try and improve our lot. Imagine what could be done if the ANS did that, just tried to actually do something!! I should imagine that the ANS/RCN are unpopular up at Chas Frears for reasons of mutual disapproval. I am not sure if the committee that dispensed the 'survey' missed Leicester or just 'cherry-picked' ideal candidates? Perhaps you weren't looking for answers other that those you gave before???
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 18:40:58 (GMT)
help!
Hi, i have just applied to do a nursing course at uni and was wondering if anyone can give me an idea of the types of questions they got asked at interviews. Any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks, adam, x x x
Adam <adsteps@aol.com>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 13:56:32 (GMT)
Hi I have to say that the changes in nurse training have done no service to the profession. I trained initially in the early ninties as an RMN and have completed the fisrt year of converting to Adult. I have to say I have learned very little. I have good marks for essays and exams but don't ask me to measure CVP In this time I have had only two placements where I am treated as a threat to newly qualified S/N's and more so as an idiot by the dreaded E/N brigade. I certainly don't claim to Know it all but due to the treatment I recieve i will not be telling anyone I am already trained in my last three placements. In my first placement my competence was questioned over my ability to take BP's as I had only used mannual machines. If Univresities are to offer conversion courses they should be prepered that not all "modular trained" nurses have been working in the crux of technology Does anyone else out their have similar experienecs
Karen
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 13:39:36 (GMT)
Roger Our Hero bow and scrape
Ra Ra for Mr Obermaier is Mr Nicol having your children too???? I'm sure Mr Obermaier has done an excellent job at De Montfort but thats just the way it should be. I'm sorry you've got no RCN/ANS rep in your intake but it seems that Roger has been a more than worthy replacement and would if he wasn't so pig headedely independent made an excellent RCN rep if he has a mind to stand. what he fails to understand is the function of the ANS Executive committee. They are elected to represent students at a national level nadthat is what they do. To solve many problems in nurse education requires input at a local level and Roger thats exactly what you apprear to have done. We haven't had the problem you've had with the release of results and whilst it was obviously covered nationally it would appear that only isolated universities were effected DE Montfort and Teeside in particular. Keep up the good work but Stop knocking the ANS I feel that they do a lot of good work albeit at a slow pace but when you've got to ensure that everything you say and do is within RCN policy than its going to take time. Solving problems at a local level is much easier quicker and effective as you've proved use your RCN branch and region. The ANS agenda is influenced by many organisations not just teh Roger Obermaier self appreciation society
Gareth Williams
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 12:57:45 (GMT)
research module 5
anyone understand module 5 critique an article i havent a clue what to do, if you know of any books let me know
shaz <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 23:42:51 (GMT)
Listening at the keyhole
It's really good to see that nursing hasn't changed. At the risk of sounding like a dinosaur, the discussions listed on this site take me back. It's like reading the letters page of the Nursing Times 20 years ago - the same issues and concerns. Poverty amongst most students opposed by an apparent blissful ignorance of the few from more Quality Street (those lucky to have financial support from parents). The tension between the Rcn and Unison (just Unions, not professional organisations, dear!!). Teachers and managers that rarely come down from their ivory towers and last, but not least, the revolutionary anarchist nurse students - out to set the world to rights. I have to admit that I'm a qualified nurse. But I do hope that I still care about all my colleagues, be they unqualified, student or qualified. I know it's rough now and as far as I'm concerned, we had it easy in my day. Don't write off all trained staff as "I'm alright Jack" types. The powers that be in nursing wanted student status and professional education. Personally, I never understood the argument against a common foundation of training and then education as an add on. We're short of nurses now because we've disenfranchised those with a lesser academic bent from being EN's (I don't need to be told all that guff about NVQ level 3's). Anyway, keep up the good work. With the shortfall of nurses that we now have and we will have for many years to come (if the research evidence is to be believed), you are working towards a gravy train. Perhaps not in an NHS job but the money is certainly there, should you want it when you're qualified. TTFN Simon
Simon
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 13:11:16 (GMT)
Bursary
i am a final year student studying mental health. However i first started in march 97 doing an adult course. A series of events including illness in the family meant that i had to defer for a year. i returned to the mental health course in sept 98. Due to a change in the structure of the course i repeated a module. i was told that my tutors would arrange for me to recieve extra bursary for the final six months. I am now told that my bursary is due to end on the 12th feb, and it was my responsibiity to apply for it. I have contacted the bursary officer and student union, and am waiting for a response. Does anyone know if there are any alternatives should i be refused? I have also contacted the LEA who inform me there is nothing they can do. Thanks
Lindsay <lindsay_terris@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 13:06:01 (GMT)
Uniform Allowances at Canterbury Christchurch College
In response to Dominic (Saturday 20th 11.20.77 GMT) and the uniform allowance at Canterbury Christchurch College, I have spoken with the RCN Steward there at the time and established the following: there was an open meeting on uniforms commendably headed up by UNISON. The RCN steward attended wearing both her RCN and NUS hats. She heard UNISON urging students to go on placement in mufti as a means of protesting against the non-payment of the allowance. Following the meeting the RCN steward stated her concern at this suggestion. She then consulted with the Student Union President to engage his help. (At the time I understand that Canterbury Christchurch College only recognised the NUS as a negotiating body). After the NUS President had met both the Principle and Dean, the decision was made to reimburse the students. The success was a combination of joint work by UNISON, NUS and the RCN but mainly on this occasion I understand, the NUS. Peggy Pryer PRO Canterbury RCN Branch
Peggy Pryer <canterburyrcnbranch@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 22:52:57 (GMT)
I said our group. Simon (good bloke that he is) is in a differant intake from myself. Unfortunately our RCN rep left 6 months into the course and was not replaced.
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:28:45 (GMT)
hope no-one finds me cheeky but is anyone up for editing a essay for me, i will pay. its just that i dont have anyone here that will look over it for me and i feel i am a crap writer but a good pratical . raymond thanks
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:17:58 (GMT)
ANS REP
actually there is a member of the ANS who is a student at the De Montford University in leicester by the name of Simon Hardcastle. are you not at the same university kris.
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 17:50:31 (GMT)
The RCN in(action) again
In response to Stu, i have to say that Roger has been constantly involved in the arena of student rights. He has written numerous letters to MP's, the secretary of State for Education, the Dean of our University etc. He was one of the few people who stood by one of our colleagues, when he was wrongly accused of something. He alongside the NUS rep has helped foster greater links between the NUS and and our campus (which had been forgotten) He is also usually the first person that many of my colleagues turn to when they need advice or support. More recently he led the campaign to bring to the attention of our group just how the industrial action will affect the publication of our results. Due to his pressure the University was forced to make a statement about the effect of the Industrial action. He was also hugely instrumental in publicising this situation by contacting the local press and the story was published in the Leicester Mercury today. So before you stand up and critise Roger yet again we have to take into account that during this whole event the RCN has been conspicuos by its abscence. In fact our group doesnt actually have an RCN rep and i doubt it would actually need one for all the good they would do. So Stu before writing another one of your pithy and oh so witty statements perhaps you should come up to Leicester and see what the RCN is actually doing for us. It wouldnt take long. Oh by the way im an atheist so trying to god bless me wouldnt actually do much would it?
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 14:16:55 (GMT)
New curriculum
Hello to all you first year students, I would love to hear from you and would love to open a debate about the 'New Style Curriculum'- How have you all faired with your first assignments, and two portfolio's???????? Did your wards support you, did they know what it was all about or have you felt like you were drowning in a sea of un-organisation, confusion and mass hysteria... It would be great to hear from anyone, and would appreciate some tips on surviving it all, good god this is only the end of the first somesta... how will I survive another eight I ask myself?????
Louisa <dlcct@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 14:08:39 (GMT)
The future of nursing in Britain
I am writing a feature about the future of Nursing in Britain for a Welsh based magazine, and would welcome the views of nurses around the country. What I want to find out is: What is the attraction of nursing today? Are student nurses treated with respect from the government? What are the main reasons that nurses cite when leaving the profession, and what do they think the govt is doing to remedy those problems. Most of my research will come from the RUH in Bath and University Hospital Cardiff, but I'd like to hear from nurses throughout Britain. Ed King.
Ed King <kinge6@cardiff.ac.uk>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 14:05:56 (GMT)
God Bless?
Why do all these "how dare you complain about the completely ineffectual/idle/useless etc you useless and vague old b*****d F**k off" messages, all end in God Bless??? What is the mysterious link between the Vicar of Dibley style mental midgets who have missed yet another crisis in student nursing, and being altruistic to the nth degree. I feel we should be told. Oh, and God Bless of course.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 13:53:04 (GMT)
Re Uniform Allowances /Canterbury RCN Branch
With reference to the comments regarding the RCN Canterbury Branch and the uniform allowance, the committee of which I am a member, will follow up the matter and report back with the facts. One thing of which all RCN student members should be aware is that they are members of a local branch. Matters such as the uniform allowance should be brought to branches so that all members can be involved and give support where necessary, not just the few at their places of work or in this case, training establishment. I was an RCN Steward / Convenor for many years and always made the branch aware of issues that affected more than one member unless by doing so it would have breached the confidentiality of a member coming to me with a problem. With reference to UNISON, I endeavoured to work closely with that organisation in matters of concern to all our members and this is what should be happening now, not trying to score points against each other. This is still a free country and nurses, nursing students and now HCAs, can join whichever union they choose! I will say though only yesterday I had the occasion to ask a senior nurse, who is a member of the other large union within the NHS to which nurses can belong, how I could contact her steward to which she replied 'I don't know who it is or how to find him or her'. She did know of one of the RCN stewards in the hospital as she had been contacted by that nurse concerning a matter involving the unit. You can guess why she is now considering changing her membership!
Peggy Pryer <canterburyrcnbranch@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 13:41:09 (GMT)
Roger!!!
Roger, If the RCN are so crap, why stay a member??? And what are you actually doing to make your union student group better?? It's all very well mudslinging at the Association of Nursing Sudents but you have consistently ripped them down on here prior to the new executive members being elected being in position, why if you feel so strongly, did you not stand for a position to make a difference when you had the chance at election time last year or is it that are you so full of piss and wind or have you developed brain constipation from the mountains of bullsh1t you write on here??(Colonic irigation may do the trick for anal retention). My colleague, Instead of whinging about the issues why not take some responsibility? Every organisation is only as effective/representative as its membership! God Bless!
Stu Davis <s.davies@zoom.co.uk>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 12:09:43 (GMT)
Doing nothing
Peggy, wasn't the RCN Canterbury branch the one's who tried to pour cold water over the victory UNISON won for students at Christchurch college Canterbury? That was the one when students got their money back for the cost of their uniforms and name badges which the college authorities had been illegally charging for. The then Secretary of Health Frank Dobson issued a statement declaring that practice illegal after pressure from UNISON and forced the college to pay all the money back....... £400,000 in total.
Dominic
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 11:20:47 (GMT)
Bullshit swallowing...?
Like most of my mates, I joined the RCN for the security it provides in the event of prosecution or persecution. The rest of the organisation seems pretty irrelevent, concerning itself with the most nebulous agenda. One can easily imagine a group of RCN politicos, travelling on the Titanic on that ill-fated voyage. As the ship sarts to list, they would be rushing against the flow of people, towards the receptions rooms. Their purpose? Well, to form a temporary committee to explore the posibility of identifying any problems that the ship sinking might or might not pose to the rest of their journey.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 11:14:25 (GMT)
Well Done Suren!
Have just returned from your Nursing Student's evening at the South Bank University. A very enjoyable evening! Tell me, how did you manage to aquire all that free food, drinks and freebies? What will you manage to get for the students attending RCN Congress in May this year?! It was interesting to see the students joining the RCN after hearing Mary Brown's presentation on student placements! For those who don't know, Mary, through the RCN, is producing a toolkit on the subject that will be presented at RCN Congress this year. The three students from the RCN Canterbury Branch who also came to your 'do', really enjoyed the opportunity to meet with you, Peace and your fellow students. We are all looking forward to meeting up with you all again at RCN Congress. Thanks again for inviting us this evening!
peggy Pryer
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 00:31:23 (GMT)
HELP! Anyone done a research assignment on the management of self-harm.
I need some info on the management of self-harm. It needs to be research based with some criticall analysis of the research. If anyone has done a similar essay for their research module in mental health branch I would be grateful for help. Cheers.
Karen <karenbracegirdle@hotmail.co.uk>
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 21:38:02 (GMT)
One rule for us and one rule for them
The two-facedness of some nurse academics who peddle the lies surrounding the 'professional union' and then take part in sordid activities such as industrial action with their 'trade union' is something I can completely agree with Roger. One rule for us and one rule for them. Well Roger, as a 'loyal' member of the RCN why don't you use this as a learning opportunity and reflect upon the rest of the bullshit you've been swallowing over the past few years.
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 12:22:15 (GMT)
Janus
How appropriate that we are debating this here in the month named after the two-faced Roman god. What I find so irritating is not the very real need for staff employed in higher education to try and carve out a reasonable life, from what seems a less than altruistic employer. I just find it hard to understand how an industrial action (that may affect the ability of hospitals to deliver care, as a result of an unpredicted staff shortage), could be carried out by nursing lecturers. These are the self same people who, by and large, would castigate anyone who dared suggest nurses take some form of limited industrial action to try and improve their lot. The argument used to beat down any of the 'reactionaries'? Well it is obvious, patient care might suffer if there was a shortage of nurses to provide care for patients, or if nurses worked to rule. So have the high and mighty surrendered their lofty ideals for filthy lucre, or are they just happy to see those aspiring to join the register enjoy a prolonged period of poverty? I personally think that the huge amounts of money that can be generated by what is now the business of higher education, should be shared out to all the staff, not just those with reserved parking. Consequently, if that is one of the outcomes of this action, then it will have been worthwhile. However, it would be nice to think that those who are happy to follow Janus' example might find it their hearts to be a little more contrite in future.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 20:29:12 (GMT)
My Heart is pumping purple p**s!
Yes those who are on strike are actually losing money. In fact one of our lecturers told us just how much money she was losing per day by being on strike about £150 per day apparently!! Well as im actually surviving on beans and rice at the moment because the paltrey sum i recieve as a student is not enough to stretch to such luxories as such as food. I object to the fact that someone who is allready earning far in excess of what i could hope to earn as a D grade is playing god with my life. I have worked hard for three years to gain this result and actually want to be able to get on with my life. So youll have to excuse the lack of sympathy for this particular industrial action. I think the phrase is my heart is pumping purple piss... Anyway im off to dream about actually being allowed to do my job and to get paid for it!!!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 20:16:41 (GMT)
ego
As ever Roger you can relied upon to be as reactionary as ever. Did you ever pause to think about the reasons why staff in higher education felt they had no other option but to go on strike or does your ego not allow you to think about anyone other than yourself. Its not particulary impressive to have your registration delayed I'm sure but those who are now on strike are losing money too.
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 15:21:39 (GMT)
Is it too cold to plant Roses?
Thought a gardening question might excite you all into action....ANYONE ELSE BEING AFFECTED BY NATFHE AND CAN BE BOTHERED TO CONTRIBUTE?? I shall await on the beach of my consciouness as the waves of apathy break over me......................
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 19:47:21 (GMT)
HELP!! Law and Ethics anyone?
I'm trying to write an essay on law and ethics, possibly around the subect of 'consent' anyone know of any good sites to gain info from?
Liz <Lizyhanson@aol.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 19:12:23 (GMT)
Is UCLH killing the staff living in their residences?!!!
Anyone living in University College London Hospitals? Well you will be pleased to found out that the Trust as SECRETLY been removing asbestos in the residences without warning the people concerned, ie the hospital staff residing there! This is totally outrageous and a breach of the Trust's own policy regarding the removal of asbestos. If the Trust is killing their nurses, who will look after us (the nurses!) when we will be diagnosed with lung cancer!!!
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 10:37:48 (GMT)
Newspapers discover story student's couldn't find themselves, shock!
TUESDAY JANUARY 16 2001 Exam dispute hits hospitals BY JOHN O'LEARY, EDUCATION EDITOR THOUSANDS of student nurses face being prevented from starting work in hard-pressed hospitals because lecturers are blocking their graduation as part of a pay dispute. Almost 140 nurses at Teesside University will be the first casualties of a dispute involving 100,000 university and college staff. The results they need to take up staff posts are being withheld, and Stephen Griffin, of the Royal College of Nursing, said the dispute could cause serious disruption. "This situation needs to be resolved as soon as possible to avoid even greater problems in a health service already short of 22,000 nurses." Up to 3,000 student nurses at other universities could be affected by the end of the month, and other professional qualifications will be withheld if the dispute over a 3 per cent pay offer continues into the summer. The Teesside students were expecting the results of their three-year advanced diploma course on Friday. Almost all have been promised jobs on qualification in a region with a serious nursing shortage. Lecturers have marked their examinations and assignments, but are refusing to pass the results to university management. Paul Keane, director of the university's school of health, said that he remained confident that the students would be registered on time. The two statutory bodies are due to approve the results early next month. But there was no sign of the unions relaxing the pressure last night. Tom Wilson, of the National Association of Teachers in Further and Higher Education (Natfhe), said: "We know that this action is causing some short-term inconvenience, especially for nursing students who were due to qualify this month, but 99 per cent of the students are backing us, as this is about the quality of teaching they can receive." For Jennifer Hewson, the results to be posted on Friday were to have been the culmination of a ten-year dream. The 26-year-old single mother worked for three years as a nursing assistant before giving up work to have a baby. She returned to the advanced diploma course when the Government launched its Making a Difference campaign. As a specialist in nursing patients with learning disabilities, Ms Hewson is in demand: only half of the 20 students on her course lasted the distance, and she has been promised a job at St Luke's Hospital, Middlesbrough, when she qualifies. But the lecturers' action has put her ambitions on hold. "I was really, really fed up when I heard that the results were being withheld. You don't work for three years and then have to wait even longer because of something like this." Ms Hewson will have to continue working as a nursing assistant, on a salary of £12,500, until her results are released. She has no way of knowing when the step up to a £16,500 staff nurse will be possible. Mark Davies, who is also due to take up a post as a staff nurse at St Luke's this month, said: "We are very angry. We have had three years of hard work and very little pay, and now we can't even get the jobs we are entitled to." Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 20:20:34 (GMT)
Real info on staffing levels anyone?????
Hello everyone , I am new to this site so I will introduce myself. I am a 3rd year mental health student studying in exeter. Not sure if anyone will know this but is there any way I can find out the recommended staffing levels for wards and in particular elderly mentaly infirm wards Hope someone may be able to help me with this. Perhaps a web site will publish this but as yet I cannot find out!!!! cheers all
jamie <jamie@thegulls.com>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 19:39:55 (GMT)
Resources and safety
Where do we put the dead bodies...
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 18:27:01 (GMT)
Management of Care Assignment
Hi, Trying to start assignment "critically appraise 2 issues related to the management of care" I've identified resource management and safety issues appropriate to current placement (a day clinic for mental helth sufferers)but I've gone completely brain dead on how to approach it. TIA BJ
Bob Johnson <bj333@btinternet.com>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 14:32:47 (GMT)
UNISON services
As far as counselling services are concerned UNISON works to enable its members to access local services - contact UNISONdirect on 0800 5 97 97 50 for details about your local UNISON branch who will be able to point you in the right direction depending on what kind of counselling you are after. Remember that you need to have your membership number to hand.
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 14:30:14 (GMT)
Let me be clear...
My flat mates assure me that I need to clarify my distaste with the actions inactions?) of the ANS/RCN. I am not a fully paid up member of the BNP, nor anti gay or lesbian. I do not regard those with disabilities as less fortunate, only different what society perpetuates as a norm. I do find it puzzling that it would take almost a year to establish student hardship. I find that it is puzzling that people from every race colour and creed, while studying nursing, probably have a limited number of basic problems. Why we have not got a forum for 'Poor Nurses'? That is what I meant before anyone decides to launch into a collection of personal attacks on me, under any name they care to think of...
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 21:36:49 (GMT)
Cheers Robin
I have discovered today, that the uni. is using external markers (who are not supporting the strike) to mark work submitted at present. Presumably this will not entirely please or placate the comrades who are on strike! I should imagine that the next couple of weeks are going to be interesting to say the least. I too am unsure as to what to do, or who to do it with or to. I feel the NUS may have realised that they have acted a little hastily on this one; but I cannot see a climbdown. Comradely solidarity is the worthiest of worthies, no future accountant would ever betray their socilaist values while still at uni.! As for the RCN, though a member, I am not sure that they can help as I am strictly a 'majority' person, (middle-class, able-bodied, heterosexual, British AND white). I am pretty sure as such, I do not qualify for either their interest or assistance...
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 18:22:23 (GMT)
Dear Roger
I'm really sorry to here of your plight. Being recently qualified myself I'm just glad I've missed this mess. I don't think people realise the debt that you amass on the course as well as the added burden of "living off the visa", thats if your visa will allow you to do so, until you find work. I cannot imagine what I'd had done if I'd had to wait any longer without money. Why lecturers and their unions chose to withhold marks is beyond me, boycotting lectures is one thing, (I certainly never learn't anything in them), but preventing you from qualifying and thus paying off your debts is disgraceful. All I can suggest is that if you'vefinished the course and got a job lined up, go and see your prospective ward manager and see if he'll employ you as an N/A until your marks come through. All the best.
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@HOTMAIL.COM>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 17:10:24 (GMT)
Unison Benefits
Does anyone know if UNISON offer any counselling services, your help would be appreciated. Roo
Roo
- Wednesday, January 10, 2001 at 22:50:10 (GMT)
In the words of Alanis Morissette 'Isnt it Ironic?'
It strikes me as ironic that the very same lecturers who came down so hard on those who dared mention the dreaded strike word are now on strike or'limited industrial action' themselves! If the Unions that represent Nurse teachers actually believe that industrial action will work for them then why wont it actually work for Nurses themselves? When will Nursing get a back-bone and say enough is enough? Actually hang on ive just realised hell will probably freeze over before that happens!!!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 10, 2001 at 19:49:47 (GMT)
So we are not alone..........
I posted a few days ago on the subject of industrial action and did not get a reply. I had assumed that the subject was either local to mine and Kris' site or worthy of usual apathy. Presumably as more people return to their respective sites, they will find that this 'issue' could be affecting them? Anyone else benefitting from the actions of our comrades, please feel free to share the good news! I find it particularly rewarding, as during the last three years I have 'earned' my reputation as a heretic amongst the staff, for daring to suggest some (albeit limited) industrial action in support of pay and conditions. I was of course roundly criticised for these evil ideals by our pure and virtuous leaders and lecturers. I was always told that this would affect patient care, and just thinking it was enough for some to question my prescence on the course. I remember one particular early onset Alzheimer's lecturer, spitting as she screamed "why are you here". So where are the management at our hospital going to find 60 odd staff nurses with such short notice? However, since they (the industrial activists) are no longer rostered, only registered, they need not not worry about shortfalls in the provision of care and budgetting problems. Equally, students should recognise the suffering that the lecturers are undergoing. As one of our lecturers told us, "by taking today off, I have lost a £150 in earnings". Who amongst the sudent nurse population, could argue against such self sacrifice in the face of such derisorary wages?
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 10, 2001 at 19:17:43 (GMT)
Message received from NUS
Roger Many thanks for your e-mail regearding the action currently being taken by the higher education teaching unions, which has been passed on to me. You quote Owain James in your letter. Let me take this opportunity to explain NUS' stance before addressing the specific situation for nursing students. NUS shares the view that substantial improvements need to be made on issues such as workloads, stress and pay and conditions. This is not just in terms of fairness to staff, but also because it will provide a better deal for students in the long. NUS has been in close contact with the unions throughout the process and has been able to safeguard the interests in students. In addition to gaining the support of the HE unions on student funding issues, we have been able to limit the effect that action has on students. The unions agreed not to boycott exams due detrimental effects on students. The retention of marks has not prevented students from sitting exams, which would have seriously disrupted their academic progression. Withholding marks rather than non-marking is designed to ensure that at the end of the action there is not a backlog of papers to mark. The marks can be quickly released causing no further delay in providing students with their grades. In this way damage to student learning is minimised. In addition to the support offered by students unions, academic staff are a central means of pastoral care for students, often acting as an intermediary between students and the institution. NUS is aware of the difficulties associated with studying for a nursing degree, one of the areas where students are most under pressure and therefore benefit from the support of academic staff. The situation will be reviewed at the end of this month, and NUS will be communicating with the unions to ensure that the interests of students are protected. We are aware that there are some specific problems in relation to nursing students, and I have spoken to the HE department at NATFHE to ensure that they are fully aware of your situation in advance of the informal deadline at the end of the month. I hope that this is helpful/reassuring. Please do not hesitate to contact me on this issue if you feel the need. Milly Rosier Public Affairs Officer NUS Nelson Mandela House 461 Holloway Road London N7 6LJ 020 7561 6554
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 10, 2001 at 19:01:18 (GMT)
Message received from NATFHE (sorry about format)
Dear Roger, As you will be aware, NATFHE members' action began on 5 December, and across the UK lecturers are now with-holding marks, and exam boards are being postponed. All the other HE unions, except AUT, are also taking action. UNISON, GMB, TGWU, MSF, and EIS members are working strictly to contract, refusing overtime, refusing to do any work normally done through goodwill and refusing to cover for NATFHE staff taking action. NATFHE members are also working strictly to contract, which involves not exceeding the maximum weekly hours specified by the national contract (normally 35 or 37). NUS has given its support to this action, and the form of action being taken is designed to minimise student hardship whilst maximising the impact upon the employers. We believe that the majority of students are aware that lecturers care as much about the quality of their learning as they do about fair pay, workloads and conditions. Nationally, the action has made the employers' body (UCEA) agree to reopen "tentative exploratory talks", which begin on 11 January. These talks can make rapid progress if the employers decide to change their previous refusal to move, and are willing to negotiate on the substantive issues (outlined in an article below). This will only happen if HE staff maintain pressure upon the UCEA by sticking firmly to the current action. The Chief Executive of the UCEA has recently resigned. While it may not be connected with the dispute, his departure provides an opportunity for some fresh thinking on the employers side. David Blunkett's message - that recently announced extra government funding should help to resolve the dispute - seems finally to be getting through to the Vice Chancellors. Fundamentally, progress on this matter depends upon the willingness of the employers to enter into meaningful negotiations. An national all-union rally will take place in London on 26 January, to coincide with a board meeting of Universities UK - the newly titled national body for university Vice Chancellors'. Locally, many branches are holding meetings in early January. If you wish to clarify any matters with respect to the situation at DMU I suggest that you contact Neil Williamson, a NATFHE representative at DMU. Neil works in the Computing Science Dept. in Leicester, and can be contacted via email: nw@dmu.ac.uk Below I have pasted some of the text of an article by Tom Wilson, Head of NATFHE's Universities Dept., which was published in the Times Higher Education Supplement at the end of last year. It should provide you with some background information regarding the dispute and the difficult decision of lecturing (and other HE) staff to take action: NATFHE, Unison, EIS, MSF, TGWU and GMB recently balloted their 100,000 HE members, and all six recorded majorities of 75% - 80% for action. Rallies and events involving all the HE unions were held at HE institutions around the country on Tuesday, 5 December, to launch the action which will include withholding marks, working to contract and banning overtime. AUT members supported the 5 December events too, though they are not taking subsequent industrial action. Higher education staff want to achieve fair pay, fair workloads and a fair deal for students. On pay: the employers, who offered only 3% (less than FE or teachers who were awarded 3.3%), still refuse to negotiate even though this year's HE funding was the first to halt the cuts, and next year's level of funding will mean actual growth - with an additional £330M Government funding only last week earmarked specifically for pay. David Blunkett has publicly called for the employers to return to talks and said he supports the principle of national pay and conditions bargaining. Low pay is a scandal. Of course funding remains a problem but something now can and must be done. On conditions: a majority of HE employers, apparently, have said that they wish to end our right to national bargaining, by excluding national conditions issues from the remit of the new bargaining machinery proposed in the Bett Report, the recommendations of the independent inquiry into HE staffing, chaired by Sir Michael Bett, published in 1999. Excluding conditions is flatly contrary to the Bett recommendations. That matters. Failure could mean lecturers losing the protection of the National Contract, which guarantees certain basic working conditions and employment rights, and could see teaching hours soar to 800 or more per year as they have in FE. A small number of institutions have already said they want to do that. If they are allowed to do so, many others will feel driven to follow. The National Contract is far from perfect, but it provides essential protection which could be weakened or lost if left only to local negotiations. The quality of teaching and learning offered to students would the first casualty of such a free for all. The dispute and our action have the full support of the National Union of Students. NUS President, Owain James, wrote to NATFHE on 22nd November stating: "I am writing to express the support of the NUS for your dispute...the issues at stake - for example workloads, stress, pay and conditions - are issues on which NUS shares your view that substantial improvements are needed, not just in fairness to your members but also because those improvements are essential to students....I know that some of the action your members may take, for example the retention of marks, will undoubtedly cause disruption to many students....NUS recognises that, despite short-term difficulties, a positive result would lead to significant improvements for staff and students in the longer term." By working strictly to the terms and conditions of their contract staff will remind employers of its importance. It will also remind employers how many of our members normally work well beyond their contract. At stake is not just the quality of working life for HE staff, but also the quality of higher education in the New Universities and HE Colleges. Student numbers have gone up by 90% in ten years, yet staff numbers have risen by only 25%. Everyone is overloaded yet the employers refuse to update the National Contract which provides a means of negotiating fair workloads. Staff and students are saying enough is enough. HE employers are saying different things. Many say they want to scrap NATFHE's national contract because it is a relic of the binary divide - but they don't want to merge pay scales or tackle the absurdly low New University Research Scales. All agree on the need to end discrimination - indeed government funding will depend on demonstrable progress in doing so - but many are reluctant even to measure the race or sex pay gap. Some want extra pay to stop "high fliers" leaving but seem unaware that would legally require objectively justified market supplements applicable to all staff or actually exacerbate discrimination. Recent legislation to help part time and fixed term contract staff cannot be ignored. Many simmering issues have now come to a head. They will all need to be resolved through negotiation. Our action has clearly helped to secure the recent funding increase - and the pay earmarking. Vice Chancellors have no excuse for not returning to talks. Our action will continue until we negotiate a settlement which is both fair to all staff and preserves quality for students. Regards, Mel Taylor Universities Departmental Administrator NATFHE www.natfhe.org.uk www.joinnatfhe.org.uk tel 020 7520 3242 > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Obermaier [SMTP:roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 12:12 AM > To: univ@natfhe.org.uk > Subject: Industrial action > > Dear Sir or Madam > > I am a student nurse at De Montfort University in Leicester and am due > to graduate shortly. However, the industrial action presently carried > out by members of your union at our site has resulted in our marks > being withheld. I am anxious to find out at what stage or state the > negotiations with the respective universities is at? The students on > my course are potentially facing delayed graduation if a settlement > allowing a return to normal working cannot be reached. As a group, we > are understandably concerned at the possible delay in our careers, not > to mention the potential loss of earnings that we would incur. > > I would be most grateful if N.A.T.F.E. could make it's position clear > and identify the likely success of the present action. > > Yours faithfully > > > > > Roger Obermaier > >
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 10, 2001 at 19:00:01 (GMT)
Current Nursing News - Kazie
If you want to know what is current in Nursing News in the daily papers you can search current and archived entries back to April 1999 at British Nursing News Online.
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 21:56:36 (GMT)
hi all i am a 3rd. yr. student who has twelve weeks left before qualifying. today we have been told that some of the lecturers are on work to rule and will not release the marks from our final assignments. so we will not be able to qualify. i am being serious it is all the members of natfhe union. we are all absolutly gutted. any one else been told the same???
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 21:30:49 (GMT)
Hi Kazie
Good luck with the interview - just a small tip. Try to familiarise yourself with relevant nursing features in the media as I was asked this at my interview. All the best - i hope you get in !
ange
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 20:49:15 (GMT)
module 4 and 5
i am about to do module 4 and 5 and i am 9 months in my training, i still do not fully understand assessments ie how to assess using a particular model and i do not understand individualised patient care someone give me a clue, cause we have to teach ourselves
shaz <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 23:45:25 (GMT)
Nursing article
I am currently writing an article about the state of nursing in Britain, for publication in a national newspaper. If there are any nurses/student nurses out there who would be willing to give voice to their opinions could you contact me on the above address. Thanks, Ed King.
Ed <kinge@cardiff.ac.uk>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 13:24:00 (GMT)
interview help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hi to all nursing students well have finally made it to interview the big day looms nearer iam currently an auxiliary at a general hospital can anyone offer any advice or tips for the big day thanks kazie
kazie <catherine.ralph@btinternet.com>
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 20:42:54 (GMT)
Essay Help please
I have only just found this site today and it looks really good? I have an essay to do on my learning disabilitie placement, having to discuss holistic nature of nursing care from a behavioural science veiwpoint discussing poverty, stress,age/developement stage, and life events. I would really appriecate any help thats out there. I am still in my CFP but very soon branching into Mental Health.Where has this year gone?
Andrea Elliott <v.oconnell@lineone.net>
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 17:09:46 (GMT)
I NEED HELP!!!!
Hi, my name is Sam and I'm a first year student in mental health nursing. Recently at my placement my ward manager sent me home to look into the following question "can we think without language?" Apparently a guy called Jacques Derrida wrote on stuff like this and although I have found loads on the net it's a bit to much to battle through. Is there anyone out there who can help me or anyone who wants to give me their opinion on it. I really would appreciate your help. Also if anyone else out there is on the new Inquiry Based Learing package I would love to hear from you as there seems to be very few of us. Thanks.
Sam Lawson <samantha.lawson@care4free.net>
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 15:03:34 (GMT)
HANDWASHING - WHY BOTHER?
Our whole hospital is filthy anyway, at last the government has spotted it, but our nursing director, doctors and managers couldnt care less.
Dirty Bugger
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 20:51:15 (GMT)
Essay Help
Hiya Paula. I'm also a first year student and have done an assignment on handwashing though not based in a hospital setting. If you want to email me direct, I can forward my assignment for you. Only thing is, it was a study skills assignment and I wasn't marked on it, just comments given by my tutor. Let me know if I can be of help.
Heather <leheluja@aol.com>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 20:56:12 (GMT)
re essays
paula, you need to check out "the studentnurse underground" at www.coopshouse.freeserve.co.uk this website has a brilliant section on essay writing and has a number of essays for you to view to get you on the right track.
sarah <sarahandkev@supanet.com>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 23:46:47 (GMT)
hi can anyone help i am a first year student and my next essay is on hand washing and how infection is easly spread in hospitals. yes to most this may sound quite easy, but to me it not .i just havent got the hang of essay writing YET and i am trying so hard. i have lots of references on the subject but putting it together and structing it is where i have problems. my lectures are always too busy to help out. has any one done this type of essay that could help me out i really need some kind of back bone structure. please, please dont think i am being cheeky by asking this, i love nursing and get good assesements, but terrible at writting essays. i have just found this site and noted that students help each other out here, therfore i hope some can help me . thanks paula
paula <studentnurse eng@aol.com>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 20:57:05 (GMT)
placement problem
i recently had an awful placement and felt like i was being tortured. today i had a meeting with the dean of clinical practice and he said that something is being done that students won't suffer this again. i wanted to be moved out of central middlesex trust but he said is one of the best for teaching. thames valley will not move anyone. have you had a similar experiance?
shaz <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 20:27:07 (GMT)
Placements
Can anyone help ? I am in the process of putting together a paper examining the criteria used for the selection of practice placements for Learning Disabiltiy students...any ideas, thoughts ?? Thanks, Simon
Simon <ssjcripps@talk21.com>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 14:13:21 (GMT)
Comrade lecturers
Happy New Year to all of you, personality disorders or not! I am at the same Uni. as Kris and as a consequence have the same potential fate awaiting me, as regards the industrial action by NATFE. I am curious to know f any other readers or contributors here are suffering equally? There has been no information available to us from any reliable source and we are feeling a little tetchy. I have got about21 shifts to do and really do not want this to change into a sort eternal NA-type limbo. thanks in advance.
roger.obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 00:20:17 (GMT)
Well done Sarah
Oh I wish I was at the point of qualifying!! Only 2.5 years to go! Still I've completed 6 months and that went quickly. It is enjoyable though, the only nightmare is money and juggling kids and stuff like that. Still, it will be worth it in the end I hope.
Anita
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:25:21 (GMT)
Good luck, Kris
That really does suck! My heart bleeds - not, for those poor lecturers who only earn £150/day. How can they possibly dare to ask for your support (especially after denying any for student pay) when their actions are costing you a delay in your qualification? AAaarrgg!! Anyway 'nuff said on that. Hope it all goes well for you - be sure to let us know how you get on. Oh, and spare a thought for us poor 1st years who still have 8 terms to go! Mind you, as we have an exam on the 10th of Jan, a strike would be quite welcome. (Only joking). Best of luck again and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE,
DonnaCarey <donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 01:33:23 (GMT)
Wiling away the days waiting for results...
Our course finishes on the 21st Jan 2001! but we dont get our final results till the 24th Feb if we get them at all. The lecturers at our University are on strike and consequently they are not marking our final assignments! So we might not get our results till July!! This sucks slightly.. they say that they are working to rule to improve their pay and conditions, a noble sentiment, but these are the same lectureres who threatend to sack students who wanted to go on strike for the same reason! Double standards methinks!!! One of the said lecturers actually came into a lecture to try and engender some support for their posistion. she said that she didnt know why we were complaining about our results possibly being held back because by being on strike she was losing up to a £150 a day!!! Oh for the chance to be able to earn that!!! Well anyway happy new year everyone heres to someday hoping that i might actually get my results!!!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 00:07:11 (GMT)
well folks
staff nursedom is fast aproaching (26 days away actually)Anyone have a bedpan and some blue roll????!!! so when does everyone else qualify?
sarah <sarahandkev@supanet.com>
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 23:55:11 (GMT)
HAPPY NEW YEAR !
Happy new year to all the regulars at this forum! Great entertainment, keep up the good work in the year 2001.......
- Monday, January 01, 2001 at 11:39:43 (GMT)