 |
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
EH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 17:49:06 (GMT)
I don't know what is the recent name of my nursing school
Dear frind's recently I sent my document to be evaluate, but after while they called me and telling me we can't found your school or college name in any internet site and so do I. Please tell me what is my school name. The last name that I heard was AZADEGAN NURSING SCHOOL. I will be grateful Ghorat
Ghoratolayn Kashani <skkalimi@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 21:05:22 (GMT)
Interview
I'm applying fro children's nursing and would be very grateful if anyone could let me know what the interviews are like?
Caz <madcazspaz@yahoo.com>
- Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 15:15:54 (GMT)
Interview
I'm applying fro children's nursing and would be very grateful if anyone could let me know what the interviews are like?
Caz <madcazspaz@yahoo.com>
- Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 15:14:43 (GMT)
exam
please, please can any one help with third year special needs exam (child)
barbara <LkBrbr@aol.com>
- Friday, February 23, 2001 at 17:43:00 (GMT)
Calling Welsh RCN Students!!
If you are an RCN Student Member in Wales, there is a conference being held on April 21st at Ty Maeth (RCN HQ, Wales)to which you are warmly invited to. The conference is themed as to whether or not the NHS in Wales values its future workforce. As well as debating this issue and getting chance to address keynote speakers such as Jane Hutt ( Welsh Assembly Minister for Health and Social Care) you will also have the opportunity to meet other students from around the country, Wendy and Myself as your representatives on the ANS Executive for Wales and also The whole ANS executive committee will be present to answer any questions you may have in regard to student acitvity nationally. Places are on a "First come- first served" basis, so apply early to avoid disappointment! Further details on the conference can be obtained by emailing ans_wales@hotmail.com or calling 07887 884967. We look forward to hearing from you and seeing you at the conference. Chris & Wendy
Chris Headland (ANS Vice-Chair, Exec member,Wales). Wendy Jones (Co-opted member, Wales) <ans_wales@hotmail.com>
- Friday, February 23, 2001 at 01:52:45 (GMT)
Reply to slena
I was told by a ward sister " Miles I don't want you to like the misreable git, I just want you to nurse him" I then went out of my way to be nice to him. He was on the ward for five months. It was not until the last two months that he changed, into one of the nicest person that anyone could whis to meet. It was really a big downer for all the ward staff when he went home. Now I try my very best to be nice to all. Then when I get home I take our dog for a 2 mile walk, cursing about those who have been rude or a pain at work. It seems to help.
Miles
- Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 22:08:16 (GMT)
unpopular patient
I am doing my integrative module at the moment and one of the subjects we have to consider is 'the unpopular patient'. I have literature on the subject so that is not a problem but i would like to look at it from the nurses point of veiw, just for a change. I am doing a presentation on this subject and I don't want to talk about the usual dribble of how we should deal with these patients. I want to look at issues such as: are we prepared to deal with this? are we supported? are we in the firing line? are we expected to deal with this day in day out? are we able to deal with this day in and day out? are we expected to like every patient? why don't we like all of our patients? do we pretend to like all of our patients and if so why? That is where i hope some of you may be able to help. I would be gratefull to hear about your experiences and opinion on the subject as i'm sure they will prove more interesting to the rest of my group than anything i can get out of a book. Thanks to anyone who gets in touch and i will let you know what my lecturer thought of it. p.s. this lecturer is probably one of the most liberal open minded lecturers i have so i'm sure she would love a bit of 'reality'for a change.
selina <n.s.l.bennett>
- Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 21:42:26 (GMT)
New childcare grant for HE students
For all those student nurses and midwives out there who are parents struggling to pay childcare on a bursary - well some bad news if you think the new childcare grant for HE students whereby the government will pay up to 85% of a students childcare costs,includes us. I made an enquiry to the DFEE today and it appears wer'e considered just too much better off than other students to be deemed as deserving to be eligible - well there's a surprise!!!!
- Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 20:12:33 (GMT)
Re: Secondment
I agree with shy boy/girl except for one thing - we may not get everything we want but that doesn't make the gulf that exists between seconded students and other diploma students fair or that we should do nothing. I feel that sometimes you just have to say 'that's not fair' because that is what life is like on the bursary. No one deserves to have to try and live on £300 a month less than a colleague who does exactly the same in college and on placement. Some like slagging off HCA's but how many would make great nurses if they were only given the chance. If the government wants to do more than just fiddle the figures they are going to have to far more to encourage more people into the profession. Just who is Suren? Is he that bod who like's to lay into those who don't agree with him in the name of unity?
Sarah Roles
- Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 13:51:27 (GMT)
Is it my imagination, but i'm sure the p2000 bursary levels i read about when i first started researching nursing as a career option as a school girl in the early ninties are pretty much the same as they are now??????
- Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 13:46:39 (GMT)
Secondment
It seems to me that in an ideal world secondment of all students would be an excellent idea. However to be seconded implies that you already have a job with a trust which for most pre reg students is not the case. Therefore, to operate such a system would require the government to significantly increase resources to trusts so that they could employ potential student nurses in some capacity so that at some point later they could then be seconded to complete their pre reg education. It also seems to me that no one trust funds seconded students to the same level which for some is adequate or more than adequte whilst for others it is the same or barley more than he bursary. Excuse my cynicism but I can't see the this government doing anything but change the current bursary system slightly but if you feel you should be salaried continue the fight I fear it is a loosing battle. Some back benchers may support you but it those on the front row that count in this "democracy" PS I think that Surens made a reappearence on the site if I'm not mistaken.
Not telling coz I'm shy
- Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 10:23:55 (GMT)
The evil Tory bigot
The Tories whilst they were almost all evil for the health service did bring in some valuable changes. They brought in the idea that in business terms 'the customer is allways right' and shifted the focus from the NHS itself to a more consumer driven ideal. They also tried to tackle the huge problem of ineficiancy and waste that institutions like the NHS allways generate. Admittedly they did more harm than good but to blame them for the ills of an institution that was hopelessly outdated when it was created seems very shortsighted. However this does not mean that i will vote tory. William Hague is still a prat!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 21:24:20 (GMT)
Yes,Yes,Yes.
I could not agree more, Miles.
Emma <emmawingate@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 21:21:23 (GMT)
Make no mistake!
The main reason that students are today struggling to make ends meet and have to pay sky high rent for, (if you can find it) accommodation. Is because the Tories almost ruined the NHS. If they had, had their way the NHS would now be the same disaster as the railways. Any one of you who votes for the Tories in the general election should be thrown out of the NHS for betrayal to patient care. The Tories only care for themselves.
Miles
- Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 19:29:39 (GMT)
Prior to starting my training, secondment was in its infancy and following my own research only one out of nine trusts offered anything worth being seconded for (a 'B' grade) the rest offered bottom 'A's and some did'nt know what i was on about. One even suggested i should follow the traditional route of nursing instead of trying to get extra funding out of a trust which already was in "severe" debt which could'nt endure the inconvienience of paying students to train! What a way to treat nurses of the future! Who runs these trust's?!?! i read with interest 6 months later that the same trust had turned to overseas to fill its "out of control" nursing vacency's. A little forward planing goes a long way! Before anyone starts thier training they should shop around, because nurses ( or potential) are in high demand and can command a lot due to the present climate in the health service.
Nat Mills <natwm@blueyonder.co.uk>
- Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 18:26:41 (GMT)
UNISON VERSUS ANS/RCN
It seems that UNISON members have forgotten that there is a joint charter signed by RCN, UNISON, NUS and the Midwives. This joint charter was to be a toll used in joint working on students issues and lobbying of the government. I cannot understand why all this hatred and malice towards the RCN. If Sarah and her friends feel so strongly about the injustices served upon them, why don't they get more involved either by joining the ANS or the UNISON Nursing Student forum and use these organisations to lobby and make the changes they so desperately want. It is pointless shooting at people who are working very hard for the better of Nursing Students in their own spare time, compromising their family life, study time and placement. When these students attends these various meetings they do so in their own time. They do not get time off from palcements. They have to repay the time by going over the weekend and this deprive them time for themselves and their family. So please people stop this nonsense and support these very hard working people. They need your support and not abuse. When these changes do come about, it would be these abusive individuals first in the queue to grab the monies due. I beg of you please stop this before it destroys what decency you have in you. "UNITY IS STRENGTH"
Anonymous <I chose to be anonymous because i do not want to be abused by these so called democrats.>
- Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 23:23:27 (GMT)
http://www.nursingtimes.net/news/nipage.asp?story=NT300101N3&gutter=news_index_gutter
Nursing and midwifery students have lobbied MPs over the appalling poverty they are suffering due to inadequate bursaries. Unison has prepared a series of case studies outlining nurse and midwifery students experiences of living on the breadline and they were presented to MPs at the end of January. A recent survey from the RCN shows that 58 per cent of students have considered leaving their course due to mounting debts. And that, on average student nurses qualify with debts of £3,700. Unison and the RCN want the bursary system overhauled. We asked for your views on the problems and the solutions and here are a selection:
Nikki Daly
- Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 11:21:57 (GMT)
Re: Seconded Students
I am a student nurse in my second year of a Diploma course in Leeds. I have a young child at school and my partner and myself find it difficult to manage on the income we have at present. This is the case even though I have been seconded by the trust that I used to work for as a HCA. I can't imagine how difficult it must be on a bursary. What I find hard to understand is why Trusts don't say that the opportunity for secondment is available to more potential qualified nurses that already work for them. I realise that it is probably down to budgets, however, with the staffing crisis that the NHS is experiencing at the moment I would consider it a necessary measure to take.
Nikki
- Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 10:59:04 (GMT)
Seconded Students
A seconded student at the University of Plymouth - Exeter campus - that I know receives £300 per month more than diploma students. That's 75% more than the normal £400 per month bursary. She has signed a contract to work with the sponsoring trust for one year after she registers. Therefore will receive over three years training £10,800 more (after tax) for agreeing to work for her sponsoring trust. Other trusts may have different arrangements with their own seconded students. Drop out rates and poverty levels I think we can agree are significantly lower amongst seconded students who instead of having to work all the hours god sends so that they can pay the bills can instead concentrate on their studies. I don't think this is too bad an idea.
Dominic Forristal <D.Forristal@unison.co.uk>
- Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 10:01:23 (GMT)
Bemused
'anon' writer seems to have changed their tune which is really encouraging. Anyone who scrolls down the page a bit will see how last week they were really slagging off Unison but now they are calling for unity. That's great news! One thing however that I would like to answer is just because I'm critical of the RCN line on seconded students it doesn't mean that I would not be in favour of all the unions working together to combat student hardship. Whenever anyone raises criticism of the RCN/ANS line on seconded students getting much more money than diploma students on a bursary (can I be treated the same too) they seem to be the target of personal attacks from anonyomous writers on this page. PLEASE STOP IT. You only end up making yourselves look stupid.
Sarah Roles
- Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 09:08:24 (GMT)
Seconded Students
Pre-Registration students on a salary receive between £8,760 and £10,115, without London Weighting which can add up to £1,913 to the amount.
Dominic Forristal
- Monday, February 19, 2001 at 13:48:50 (GMT)
Time to Unite
What a pity Sarah Roles finds it impossible to present an argument without turning it into a bitter attack on the RCN. My impression of most Unison members is that they're a descent bunch of people but Ms Roles gives the union a bad name. I recall last year that representatives from various organisations including Unison met and agreed a principle: "STUDENTS SHOULD BE ADEQUATELY FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED TO ENABLE COMPLETION OF STUDIES" This was the basis for a series of concensus statements. I believe that the bursary vs salary debate has been "done to death" and instead we should all be lobbying in terms of what we can agree upon. for example: "The current non means tested and means tested bursary is too low" "All students should have equal access to appropriate benefits and extra payments. We can't agree on the method of funding but we all agree it's too low. Whilst we're fighting between ourselves the government will continue to drag its feet over the whole issue of funding for healthcare students. Lets make a fresh start its great to debate the issues we've been dling it and getting nowhere for ages. It's now time to lobby. A General election is imminent. Irreardless of the method of funding let's tell the Government and Opposition that what we want is more money for healthcare students and a better deal. they've done for teachers, it's time they did it for us. So come on Sarah less of the acid tongue. We know your passionate about student hardship Lets unite in our campaign for a better deal for all healthcare students irregardless of method of funding. Let's adopt my home cities moto "Vis unitir fortior" UNITED STRNGTH IS STRONGER!!!
RCN & UNISON UNITED IS STRONGER
- Monday, February 19, 2001 at 13:01:04 (GMT)
Stop it Sarah you are scaring me!! I have been thinking about that newly qualified bit alot. I have met quite a few newly qualified's working on wards in which the staff treated them with respect and understood that they WERE newly qualified and needed easing into the hot water gently...I am not saying that is everybody's cup of tea but it is possible to find some places like that. Some people survive better in difficult situations ... we are all different I suppose...Anyway that person going on about the amount you get for kids, is that how much you get...? cos that is more than me!!??! where are you training? Congratulations to everyone who has just qualified by the way.
lynette
- Monday, February 19, 2001 at 11:19:51 (GMT)
kris
congrats and all the bit! i qualified 3 wks ago, and its really sad 2 say but oh s*** i wish i was still a student!! the course does not prepare you for what lies ahead! everyone in my cohort is really struggling, being dropped in at the deep end and expected to know what they are doing. accountbility bites hard when your one of 2 qualified on duty trying to run 2 bays of patients. i dare say the experience will, on reflection, make you a better nurse and more able to cope in the future....but oh s**t its hard!!!!! and 2 cap it all for the first month you get paid a bottom A grade! yes you get it back paid the next month, but doesnt half add to the stress of those first few weeks!
sarah
- Monday, February 19, 2001 at 01:15:05 (GMT)
bursaries
Nat, do you know how little extra students with children/adult dependants recieve???? 1800 pounds per year for the first dependant (either spouse or first child) for subsequent children 380- per year for children under 11 755- per year children 11-15 1000- per year children 16-17 1435 - per year children 18+ all these allowances are means tested, partners income is included in assesment of personal income as non seconded student nurses/midwives do not have employee status they are not eligible to claim any 'top up' benefits such as the WFTC (which guarentee's a minimum income for families and lone parents of 214 pounds a week), neither are they eligible to claim CCTC where by the government pays parents 70% of there childcare costs ( on top of the 214 per week minimum income gaurantee). a lone parent student nurse/midwife also has to pay the same proportion of their rent as a parent in reciept of WFTC before they become eligible for housing benefit. in addition to the above mentioned benefits there a numerous benefits such as sick pay available only to those who have employee status. you say 'but is anyone happy on the amount they get' but you seem to fail to realise just quite how litte some students have to live on once they have paid costs such as childcare and travel. Where as the government specifies minimum incomes for people who have employee status or stay at home with dependants,which also takes into account any extra expenses they may have, no such realistic consideration is given to assessing the income needed by student nurses and midwives who are the sole supporters of dependants, the majority of whom would be significantly better off if they just stayed at home and recieved state benefits as at least then they would not have to be living in poverty on incomes significantly below the amounts which have been state defined as the minimum any person/family should have have to survive on!!!! as for being oh so lucky compared to other students - well i wouldn't mind 10 hours of non compulsory lectures, and 5 months off in holidays each year - also ask any 'conventional' students who do placement years how much they'll get paid during their placement year - i'd be pretty sure it'll be more than what a student nurse gets. and as for tuition fee's if student nurses did have to pay tuition fee's considering their profile how many would actually have to pay anything at all????
- Sunday, February 18, 2001 at 23:46:46 (GMT)
Its not as good as it seems
In reply to Dominic Fossistal of Unison, i would like to point out that certainly in the city where im training, seconded students do not recieve around 75% more than diploma students. At one of the major hospitals seconded students recieve a bottom 'A' grade and obviously without any extras such as unsocial hours and after tax this payment works out at around £500 per month. Ok this is more than what we recieve (£400) but as a seconded student (1)a full tax rate is charged on any extra work and (2)you are commited to returning to work for that trust for 2 years as a qualified nurse. But as a diploma student no tax is charged on extra work and we can do what we like and go where we want. I personnaly think anyone considering which option to take, seconded status or the more traditional route should weigh up which option is better for them, it varies for one and all. I know im going to get slated for this but is anyone happy with the amount they get as a student? i am! dont forget that we pay no university fees and we recieve a modest payment to live on. In most other Commonwealth countries nursing students have to pay for there courses and recieve no financial support as we do. I personnaly would like to see big 'inflation busting' pay rises going to qualified nurses so they (we) will recieve fair payment for the wonders we perform in an often underfunded, undervalued and stressfull job.
Nat Mills <natwm@blueyonder.co.uk>
- Sunday, February 18, 2001 at 21:15:08 (GMT)
Well done you know who you are!!!
Just a quicky to say WELL DONE to all of my cohort who have just qualified. Bloody well done as it has been three years of unending poverty and sheer hard graft but it is now over!! I would also like to say to my best mate in the whole world and he knows who he is, NISI CAREBERUNDRUM ET ILLEGITIMI or something like that!! (Dont let the b******S grind you down)Im proud of you mate!!! To all of the other student nurses out there who are finding it hard or are wondering why they should bother dont give up it does get easier and its such a good feeling when actually finish!! Good luck everyone! Im off down the pub to celebrate.
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Sunday, February 18, 2001 at 21:00:57 (GMT)
For Nerys
Hi Nerys, I have just been reading through some of the mails on here, and noticed you wondered why we have to learn about psychology e.t.c. instead of the practical stuff. I can see your point of view, the practical side is very important and we tend to learn this on the ward, but in my experience the old psychology and cell structure stuff is helpful when it comes to understanding patients and what is happening to them. Some lectures we have had, particularly finance and management in the NHS were light years ahead of us second year students at York, but you just have to grit your teeth and wade through it all somehow until you reach the end of the course. It probably seems like a life time away, but hopefully we will all get there eventually. Good luck with your course!
Catherine <catherine1jod31@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 22:46:11 (GMT)
Mead Model
A quick search for Mead AND model on the ENB Health Care Database Search found 2 references.
AUTHOR: McCLUNE, B.A., FRANKLIN, K.L.
TITLE: AN UPDATE ON THE MEAD MODEL AND NURSING CARE PLAN
SOURCE: INTENSIVE AND CRITICAL CARE NURSING, Jun 1994, Vol 10, No 2, pp127-132. (Cites 7 refs)
ABSTRACT: Clarifies the differences between the Mead model which is an adaptation of Roper, Logan and Tierney's model for nursing and the care plan format based on it.
AUTHOR: EDWARDS, S. L. TITLE: USING THE MEAD MODEL AS A FRAMEWORK FOR NURSING CARE
SOURCE: INTENSIVE AND CRITICAL CARE NURSING, Dec 1992, Vol 8, No 4, pp203-211. (Cites 65 refs).
ABSTRACT: The Mead model formed the basis for nursing care of Jason, a young patient who sustained a head injury, a puncture wound and lacerations to his face, as presented in this study.
A search for - integrated AND care AND pathways - gave 15 results which appear to be appropriate.
Nigel <webmaster@thornbury-nursing-services.co.uk>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:47:40 (GMT)
Essay trouble
does any one have any information on the Mead Model or integrated care pathways. help much appreciated for third year essay
Linda <lmalcolm2000@yahoo.co.uk>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 10:58:03 (GMT)
Seconded Students
Peggy, Seconded students - as NHS employees receive exactly the same entitlements as any working person. This includes being covered by the injury benefit scheme. It also includes the right to sick pay, maternity pay, working familes tax credit, and contributions to the NHS pension scheme to mention just a few of the benefits. Finally - after all tax is paid their income is around 75% higher than diploma students and linked the pay review body so we wouldn't the value of their income fall by the the 50% bursaries a fallen by over the past 13 years. This is why UNISON keeps banging on about the benefits of salaried status.
Dominic Forristal <D.Forristal@unison.co.uk>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 08:22:13 (GMT)
Salaries -v- Bursaries for Nursing Students
A few years ago I raised the following point at RCN Congress: "At a recent branch meeting it was brought to my attention that during their training, students, if injured or develop a work related illness, are not eligible to receive Incapacity Benefit and are not covered by the NHS Injury Benefit Scheme. As a member of The Work Injured Nurses' Group of this organisation and an Expert Witness on the effects of disability and the loss of career, I am well aware of the financial implications of loosing one's career through injury or illness. I am personally now very hesitant to encourage people to train as nurses in case they suffer an injury or illness during their training. This organisation must address this situation immediately before continuing to discuss clinical placements". I still do not know if this issue has been addressed and I am now personally very keen to know the answer as I have a daughter who is considering making nursing her career. Can anyone answer the following question: Is there a difference regarding what benefits they would receive between a salaried nursing student as opposed to one receiving a bursary if they were to sustained a work related accident or illness during their training, or indeed, would they receive any at all?
Peggy Pryer <ppryer@hotmail.com>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 00:34:21 (GMT)
Bonus?????
i'm not sure the book and travel allowances are quite the 'bonuses' they seem, unless you pay more to get to your placement than to your campus your not entitled to claim a penny, and not everyone has the luxury of living in the local area to their campus! Also the book allowance only totals 60 pounds for the duration of the course - what fraction is that of the total extra amount a seconded student receives????
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:59:09 (GMT)
On my High Horse
Was that the royal WE the 'anon' poster referred to? I still think WE would be miles better off as seconded students - that 'extra pair of hands' lark is just a load of codswallop. Please oh please lets try and stay rational here. I really would like to know what the true rationale is behind your opposition to the extension of seconded students.
Sarah Roles
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:52:01 (GMT)
Seconded students
Why don't you all get off your highhorses about going back to salary status. Why not fight for an increase in the bursary and rights for students to be students. Just for information seconded students do not benefit from the added bonuses of book allowances and travel allowences as received in the first bursary payment that students in receipt of the bursary get. Why don't we stop listening to what UNISON have to say, and fight some battles for ourselves. UNISON are very good at jumping in without thinking. Stop the bickering and slagging off and fight some battles for yourselves, and if you've got something to say, get elected onto the appropriate groups and do something positive instead of hiding in your shells.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:31:40 (GMT)
Nurses & Strikes
nurses in the UK unlike other countries such as Ireland, New Zealand and Australia have not so far had a national nurses strike (1988 was the closest the UK has been)Our failure to fully unionise nursing explains our status and pay in society Recently, UNISON Student nurses at Bow and Greenwich in London faced with the threat of eviction from nurses homes both threatened strike action and both secured an improved deal Unity is strength
Alice Dawnay
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 13:43:51 (GMT)
Going on strike
In areas where Unison dominates (mental health for example) there have been a strike amongst nurses before. In the last national strike in mental health the nurses taking part didn't even get to the front door before management gave in. The RCN have been active in the past in trying to break strikes because they were 'unprofessional'. Well theire own staff are threatening to be 'unprofessional' too aren't they? Boy oh boy don't they come out with a load of crap sometimes.
Dominic
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 10:18:31 (GMT)
good point though ...sorry, not having a dig ....I have to really watch this making jokes thing...I seem to get into trouble a lot...
lynette
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 20:59:18 (GMT)
a bit like the head and shoulders advert that "anon" statement! why do you think we still continue to recieve crap pay ...... cos we don't have the strike option!!!!
lynette
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 20:56:33 (GMT)
All these people going on strike!! First the fuel protest , now the RCN, can you imagine if nurses had gone on strike in the past!! Good God there would be an outcry and we would all be classed as uncaring and evil!!!! And still we get crap pay!!
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 19:18:35 (GMT)
student nurse standing for UNISON NEC
Rachel Riley, a student nurse from Blackburn is standing for Unison's NEC. She's President of Unison's North West nursing & midwifery student forum and all members of Unison will be sent ballot papers soon. Please use your vote - this is a great opportunity to have a student ELECTED onto Unison's governing body and will make sure the union continues to make sure our needs and issues are treated seriously. She stands a very good chance of winning. Unison elects it's leadership by the way!!!
Sarah Roles
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 15:30:07 (GMT)
RCN staff may go on strike
The Royal College of Nursing's own staff may be called out on strike by their trade union after the RCN's ruling council voted to cut their pay award. The GMB, which represents many of the RCN's 700 staff, claims the council has 'arbitrarily' abandoned a pay formula which would have given staff from the general secretary down a 5.7 per cent pay rise. It says staff will get just 3.2 per cent, with a further 1 per cent held back to fund an 'as yet undisclosed' job evaluation scheme. GMB organiser Dawn Butler said the union had not been consulted about the cut. She added: 'With a mostly female workforce and pay rates starting at as little as £7,464 (the national minimum wage of £3.70 an hour), the staff are understandably very angry.' [added15:30, 12.02.01]: Asked to respond, Christopher Cardwell, Director of Personnel at the RCN sent the following statement; "The RCN's Council has recently put in place a pay policy that is fair and transparent and can be applied equitably to all staff. "At the same time Council have reviewed the method of determining annual salary levels. The formula which we introduced in 1998 gives rise to figures which are simply not affordable. There has always been an understanding between ourselves and staff representatives that we may wish to revisit our methods of determining annual salary increases if the formula proved unaffordable. "Now that the RCN Remuneration Committee and Council have identified a refined approach to staff remuneration, we will continue discussions with recognised trade unions with a view to replacing the current mechanism for setting staff salaries and to increasing pay scales by 3.2 per cent from April 2001." This statement was first released a week ago; according to the College, it is '"still relevant".
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 13:43:42 (GMT)
Nursing Times vote
I just looked on the Nursing Times Website which has revealled the results of a vote they held on student hardship. Just over 50% of voters favoured salaried status for nursing & midwifery students as a means to tackle once and for all student poverty. Just under 27% favoured a substantial increase in the bursary. The time has come I feel for the ANS/RCN to answer the criticism they've come under and listen to students and nurses who in open votes consistantly vote in favour of salaried status. I just don't understand why the RCN leadership have stuck to their guns on this one when we say a salary is what we are after. When they try to link salaries to some supposed loss of supernumerary status or the loss of higher education something which is completely ignored is the existance of seconded students - surely they are a clear example of people who manage to get a decent income with employment rights but still get treated the same as any other diploma student? What does everyone else think?
Sarah Roles
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 12:38:48 (GMT)
Thanx
Well the Saga with Del Monty is finally over. We will have our results published after all! So all i have to do now is sit back and wait for the waves of anxiety and panic to wash over me and get my final rsults on Friday. I would like to thank the NUS who played a huge part in the eventual setlement of this problem. Without the intervention of the NUS rep Ian Aitken then it looked like this situation could of dragged on forever! Also a polite thank yo must go to all of those people on my intake who took the time out to help. Well done you you know who you are!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 14:52:33 (GMT)
TELL A FRIEND ABOUT US
Hi everyone!
This chat board has been going from strength to strength over the past year, and we would just like to thank everyone for their continued use and support of this great service.
To help us get even more nurses involved in these discussions, why don't you let a friend know about this chat board. Send them an e-mail and let's make the best and busiest Student Nurse chat board in the UK even bigger and better.
Thanks.
Brutish Nursing Webmaster <webmaster@brutish-nursing.com>
- Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 14:01:16 (GMT)
LEARNING DISABILITIES
Dear Jo, I agree with Roger I don't think there is much of a future in learning disabilites. Its not just the shift to social services, but even NHS places, there seems to be less and less trained staff and more and more support workers. If they can get away with it they'll go for the cheaper option. Try mental health I say.
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 12:46:41 (GMT)
WAYNE HURST
I read your recent message about your critical incident assignment. I too am about to tackle this essay and I thought I would pass on some info that i was given from my lecturer. If it is indeed the same assigment, which i believe it is, thenthe aim of the essay is not to describe the incident as such but to comment about the MANAGEMENT issues involved. For example, a critical incident isn't necessarily one such as yours, it could simply be an incident that resulted due to staff shortage. This topic would then focus on skill mix management rather than ethics etc. We were told that the focus of this assignment was to : 1)describe the incident briefly,2) reflect on the observations u made and your thoughts and feelings, 3) relate it to theory, where u can BRIEFLY mention ethics however the focus is MANAGEMENT, so relate management theories, and also stuff like accountability 4) Evaluate it and discuss future actions, suggestions and ask questions. I hope that this can be of some help and feel free to get in touch if you would like some other info that we have been given
Lisa <lsfg@breathe.com>
- Monday, February 12, 2001 at 23:16:50 (GMT)
secret website
i cannot beleive that people do not know about the student chat page.it needs more advertising and students should help each other not contunue to slag nursing!!!
shaz <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Monday, February 12, 2001 at 21:13:37 (GMT)
Disgusted at Government
I'd just like to say that I am disgusted at the recent proposed Government policy to help pay off student loans for trainee teachers as well as the "golden hello" they can currently claim of about £4,000. Why is more not being done to help recruit student nurses whose numbers are much lower? Surely the health of the country is as important as the education.
Helen
- Sunday, February 11, 2001 at 18:06:49 (GMT)
I need some help!
I am a third year degree student in adult nursing and I need some help with my Nursing Studies 5 assignment! I am supposed to discuss a critical incident what I have experienced. When I was on a rostered community placement, I was given a set of patients to see by myself. I was in this mans house doing his leg ulcer dressing, when the next door neighbour knocked on the door! I answered to door and she said i had to come quick! I went with her, to find her husband dead on the floor I started CPR he died later that day in hospital. This is my situation of a critical incident! Can anyone help with the content I have to cover loads of areas: nursing knowledge theory & practice professional issues ethical issues management thanks Wayne
Wayne Anthony Hurst <crazykid@btinternet.com>
- Sunday, February 11, 2001 at 11:41:49 (GMT)
Branch options
Hi Jo, I am going into adult branch in about three weeks or so... when I started at KCL, I believe the option for learning disabilites was there, now it has been taken off - apparently due to lack of interest... loads of my cohort are going into mental health, not quite the same is it? Good luck on getting what you want and remember, as soon as you have finished CFP, you are eligible to transfer to a uni which offers the l.d. course and enter at branch stage(though your uni will probably try to stop you!). Claire
Claire <ClaireMacL@aol.com>
- Sunday, February 11, 2001 at 01:42:23 (GMT)
Incensed maybe.
Jo, my partner has been a LD nurse for some time now and is facing the very rela threat of unemployment as are many of her colleagues as their client base is farmed out to social services. Already under the control of mental health, the branch is slowly slipping away, seemingly without support. Perhaps this is a case of adveristy turning out to be opportunity wearing a different hat.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 22:54:33 (GMT)
training problems
Im doing the degree in nursing and am about to go into branch. I have wanted to do learning disabilities as my branch choice, and the uni offered this at admission. It is now rumoured that they are withdrawing that area as an aoption for branch! Anyone know if they can do this? Im 6 weeks away from submitting my choice and am incensed! HELP
jo <jo@kunchai1.worldonline.co.uk>
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 22:04:43 (GMT)
Please can anyone help?
My present assignment is a Critical Incident on Assertiveness in Mental Health Nursing. Can anyone out there give me any advice on references for books or journals?Andrea x
Andrea Elliott <v.oconnell@lineone.net>
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 20:14:14 (GMT)
SLACKINC
I agree, sara, slackinc.com/areas is a brilliant research site for students What a find !
jb
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 01:14:13 (GMT)
re handwashing
i recently chose handwashing for my essay, i found www.slackinc.com/areas.asp really good, just type in hand washing and it produces loads of good articles that you can use.
sarah
- Wednesday, February 07, 2001 at 23:40:21 (GMT)
help with handwashing
nursingtimes.net or nursing-standard.co.uk are good places to look, also try shef.ac.uk/~nhcon/nuuk.htm or even open.gov.uk/search/search.htm
- Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 21:34:14 (GMT)
help me
Hi there, I'm in my first year in uni and have been given my first essay ahhhhhhhhhh. Anyway I am doing infection control looking at hand washing. Does anyone know any really good books, websites or studys that may help. Anything will do as I'm desperate. Thanks very very much
katie <kate_315@altavista.co.uk>
- Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 19:20:07 (GMT)
Duh Mont
Charley Farleys' does seem to have an unenviable reputation forming... It also seems to be one of the most affected by the NATFHE action, unless anyone else is being affected as well. Answers on a postcard.
Roger Obermaierr <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 21:41:27 (GMT)
Well Done Mel!! Wrong Again!!
In regards to the De Montfort University situation, i had a word with the NUS rep for the campus. He has contacted the UKCC and was told that allthough there is a clause in the code of conduct that states that in effect students should not work as bank na's it is now a clause that is either being ignored or being phased out. So it seems that the esteemed MS Chevannes has dropped another bollock! (Not the first one either! Perhaps the RCN is glad that they didnt hire her as General secretary after all) So to all the De Mont students affected by this contact your NUS rep Ian Aitken (his number is around uni) for a clear answer on the situation. It is just another example of De Montfort living up to its reputation as the biggest joke in Nursing!!
Not a fan of Mel Chevannes
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 21:00:47 (GMT)
mentor support
please reply all tvu students that have done modules 4 & 5
shaz <s.macdonald@talk21.com>
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 20:06:45 (GMT)
I Cannot believe that! The whole country is going mad....Will there be no end to silly ideas.Well done DeMontfort University.
Lynette
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 19:35:43 (GMT)
Student Nurses dispute
Student nurses at DeMontfort University in Leicester learnt today, that due to a ruling in some UKCC document on supernumary status, the university would not allow students to work part-time as HCA's or on bank contract, or in any health care setting. What is the university thinking of? Do they really think that student nurses need more problems to add to the many that they currently have? Wake up!! Lets get some priorities right!
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 16:17:31 (GMT)
Bullying
Dear Colleagues, Here is a chance for all ou students to help a lecturer !. I am undetaking an ethnographic research study on the relationship between nursing management and bullying in the NHS. I am anxious that any nurses who have been, or are being bullied contact me ( in confidence ). I would like to know of your experiences. I feel that we need to deal with this growing problem, and make nursing a safer place for our future practitioners. I can be contacted at> Malcolm Lewis, Senior Lecturer Department of Health Studies, University of Central Lacashire, Prston. Lancs 01772 893405 or at my web site Regards, Malcolm Lewis
Malcolm Lewis <ma.lewis@ntlworld.com>
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 16:07:02 (GMT)
Working holidays..HELP!
This maybe a random request but can anyone help me find a working holiday for a month or so this summer? Gaining some (overseas) nursing experience would be helpful but I am happy to do anything anywhere! Thanks Helen
helen boyle <helboyle@hotmail.com>
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 15:18:57 (GMT)
Greetings to the new General Secretary from one of the Plebs!
If that was a message from the new general secratary of the RCN, then what on earth was she doing down here with us plebs? I thaught that she would be very busy moving into that Ivory Tower that the sainted Hancock and her cronies spent so much time building!!! Still if it was from the new general secretary of the RCN then here's to hoping that she is as good as the hype that has preceeded her and perhaps the RCN can move forward and leave the 'in my day' brigade behind! Good luck for the future Beverley I hope your tenure at the RCN is as sucessfull as promised.
- Sunday, February 04, 2001 at 17:12:06 (GMT)
Happy Birthday, Brutish Nurses
Greetings from the RCN to Brutish Nursing on your first birthday today.
Beverly Malone <general.secretary@rcn.org.uk>
- Sunday, February 04, 2001 at 07:18:24 (GMT)
application forms
Try www.nmas.ac.uk
- Saturday, February 03, 2001 at 18:03:50 (GMT)
sos
Hie Could any well wisher please assist by helping me get an application form for a trainee nurse.I am a young guy from zim wishing to train as a nurse in U K but i do not have the necessary application forms.If you can help could you please e - mail me so that i can furnish you with my details.Thanks in advance for your assistance. Washy
Washington Masuku <washysuku @yahoo.com>
- Saturday, February 03, 2001 at 09:58:52 (GMT)
Good for you Sarah
Keep it up, if only the people who they are supposed to work for could get them to wake up, then they might do something, hell, ANYTHING!!! Ah, the only good poll is a deed poll...
r <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, February 02, 2001 at 20:10:38 (GMT)
Feel much better now
Raging against the RCN machine can be quite theraputic.... must try it again some time..
Sarah Roles
- Friday, February 02, 2001 at 16:37:15 (GMT)
Head Bangers
Thanks Kris, its good to get support from people who feel the same about those self appointed 'leaders' of nursing. I really don't think they care about us proles having to live on jack shit whilst they spend a not too small fortune on refurbishing their RCN palace. Or perhaps we shouldn't call it a palace - lets call it an ivory tower instead!!! I was hoping for far far more from that survey they've talking about for donkey's year's now. Perhaps I was deluded or something like that but I was always led to beleive (foolishly maybe I know) that survey's meant you asked people what they wanted/thought/aspired to. Those words obviously don't exist in the RCN ivory tower. And as for electing your leaders - well that's just plain revolutionary. Reds under the bed and all that. They won't be tolerating these new fangled ideas round here thank you very much.
Sarah Roles
- Friday, February 02, 2001 at 16:33:45 (GMT)
Well Said!!
Sarah Well said! Why would anyone actually want to change anything though? They have been f####ng it up for so long that the status quo is the desired result! The RCN has to be right all the time, it as an organisation cant accept that others out there may have an opinion that is differant from the official 'party' line. So all results will be skewed to reflect this need to remain in the right at all times.
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 22:01:17 (GMT)
Well said!
Well said Sarah, however the answer you would get, if the almighty and remote ANS/RCN would reply, would be that salaried students would be treated as a spare pair of hands. What you have to bear in mind is that the people yo are challenging are part of the establishment. They work in nurse education, and while superficially able to accept criticism of the system that allows them to live to far higher standard than mere nurses, they will deflect any attempts at negative commentry. Any suggestion that students may already be treated as a spare pair of hands will be treated with incredulity! Such things cannot exist in the utopia that modern nursing now is, and despite the overwhelming impresion you get when talking to any of the elit; that they sicerely miss starched hats and uniform parades, salaried status is regarded as retrograde. Perhaps the appointment of an American nurse at the top, might encourage those doddering on into the 21st century, to wake up, even a little bit.
- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 19:07:58 (GMT)
The Dishonest RCN
As I suspected, the RCN student hardship survey (I've just downloaded the Word document) completely ignores the existance of seconded students. Would the RCN leadership prefer that they had never had existed? The questions are suitably loaded to ensure those in power at the top got the answers they wanted. A question like "The quality of education would be diminished if students nurses became trust employees" show quite clearly that this was not the all empowered 'professional' survey - the aim of the survey was to justify their original views and the RCN had no intention of asking students what they really wanted. It's a shabby and dishonest piece of work aimed to defend the status quo. Again like so many others before me - I'll challenge the ANS/RCN - IF SECONDED STUDENTS CAN BE SALARIED AND NOT BE TURNED INTO AN EXTRA PAIR OF HANDS WHY WOULD I AS A DIPLOMA STUDENT WHO HAS TO SURVIVE ON THE BURSARY? I bet you haven't the guts to answer.
Sarah Roles
- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 06:09:44 (GMT)