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Ir Loco- Going Crazy!!!
Suren/Joan, surely theres a policy on expelling sufferersof muliple personality disorder syndromes from nursing pre-registration courses!!! Get a life and be yourself or are you too ashamed after previous postings???? You can join me in hiding!!! xxxxxxxxx
- Saturday, December 30, 2000 at 14:30:19 (GMT)
Have been away a fair few days what with it being the 25th and like many of you this will be the last Christmas off. Can anyone (in a nutshell if poss) fill me in on the Joan Savage or Sureen of Suren saga. I am nearly going cross eyed trying to get the gist and the bottom line is I am a nosey sod
Flost.I
- Friday, December 29, 2000 at 22:58:39 (GMT)
Suren?????????????
Give Joan a break...........she may not be the 'crazy' suren of pastposting fame. Though Suren was 'crazy' enough to have a split personality!!!!!!!!!!111
India
- Friday, December 29, 2000 at 14:16:36 (GMT)
so did u all have a MERRY xmas?
sarah
- Friday, December 29, 2000 at 01:55:13 (GMT)
recruitment
anyone looking for a nursing career in Staffordshire contact me, you won't be sorry. Have a great new year Love Barb x
Barbara <barbwlsh@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, December 28, 2000 at 23:17:10 (GMT)
well, I wonder whats happened to joan/suren? ;-)
ange
- Thursday, December 28, 2000 at 18:28:34 (GMT)
inviting my friends (nurses) to a special tour to iran
hello my dear friends merry chiristmas i am a special nurse in icu open heart in iran,i invite you for a special tour to iran which prepare for you an apportunity of observing the condition of iranian nurses work with them in a warm & friendly atmosphere in hospital and realaize the trascaltural nursing views and being familier with iranian nurses in university of nursing in tehran,and also a tripe to isfahan ,an ancient city with a lot of beautiful place for observing,staying in5 stars hotel,high class cars,a nd delicious iranian foods for further information contact me e-mail:aborojerdy@yahoo.com mobile no:+98-911-277-6107 i will be happy to replay any questions of you.best regards ali borojerdi
ali borojerdi <aborojerdi@yahoo.com>
- Monday, December 25, 2000 at 07:12:24 (GMT)
Happy Christmas
Just a quick message to say Happy Christmas to everyone and have a wonderful New Year! Have a good one!
Heather <Leheluja@aol.com>
- Sunday, December 24, 2000 at 23:30:05 (GMT)
Merry Christmas
Just to say merry Christmas and happy New Year to all of us! This will be my last Christmas off for years as I qualify in spring, I've just got home from a (bank!) shift and am settling down with a wee nip of something warming, so here's to next year, cheers.
rach <rachael2001@fsmail.net>
- Sunday, December 24, 2000 at 22:41:18 (GMT)
its xmas!!
wishing everyone a very merry xmas and a happy new year, as this is the last xmas i will spend as a student nurse i intend to be VERY MERRY!!!!!! enjoy your holidays everyone...youve worked hard for them.
sarah <sarahandkev@supanet.com>
- Sunday, December 24, 2000 at 18:55:46 (GMT)
Seasons Greetings
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone. If you are working I hope it is a quiet time for you.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Sunday, December 24, 2000 at 16:09:01 (GMT)
I don't like to say this..but
Having read all your "talk" over the past year, I have come to the conclusion that 99% of you are mental. Have a lovly christmas all the same and a very very happy new year. I have found out why student nurses,trained nurses, NAs,HCAs, are so under valued, NO BODY CAN AFFORD TO PAY US OUR TRUE WORTH. God bless you all.
Ann.
- Saturday, December 23, 2000 at 19:14:25 (GMT)
Thanks Chris but I have already applied for funding and approach various other persons. Including the local MP Newspaper Lord Hunt and God knows who else and they have not been able to help!
Lynette
- Saturday, December 23, 2000 at 09:45:00 (GMT)
Lynnette
Firstly can I say how sorry I am to hear of your current personal circumstances. I know words offer little comfort at this time but don't give up yet!! From an RCN ANS perspective it would be inappropriate to discuss any personal issue in such an arena and I would suggest you get in touch with RCN Direct or HQ in London to find out who your regional ANS Representative is and how to contact them for advice. I can only offer the following advice (as a fellow student) to you Lynnette and to students in similar situations :- Dont give up until you tried every possible avenue and alternative. The solution may be there but may involve walking a difficult path. Try approaching your local student union they will also provide you with advice and may have access to funding that could facilitate you staying on your course. This is only a suggestion as each student union offers different advice of course. Hopefully you will find a solution very soon and wish you the best of luck, keep coming back on here to keep em on their toes. Best wishes for the festive season Chris :o)
Chris Headland <ans_wales@lineone.net>
- Saturday, December 23, 2000 at 02:10:09 (GMT)
ANY TIPS????
Dear all, Anyone got any useful tips for biology revision as I've got a 3 hour exam in January and am getting a bloody headache trying to remember it all!!! I tried to concentrate after 3 glasses of wine, and it all made sense, but when the wine wore off, I forgot everything I had learnt!!! HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Melanie <carter_melanie@hotmail.com>
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 23:26:34 (GMT)
Happy Christmas by the way and have a good new year All of you.Good luck with your training.
Lynette
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 13:11:41 (GMT)
can you help Kris you work in the union in RCN don't you? I have just found out today that my income is going to decrease to £600 PM (I have three children). I am sure that it will please some members of this chat page that I will have to stop my training as from today as I am not able to afford it.Thanks for the support so far sorry for upsetting people in the past even you suren or joan. TTFN
Lynette
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 13:10:11 (GMT)
Seasons Greetings!
seems like an obvious case of split personality! There are many blokes out there who like to pretend to be women and just because Sur.. sorry i mean Joan is out there we musnt judge him/her too harshly! It is heartening to see the threat of a law suit at christmas the season of goodwill and all that, so much for Sur/joan plea's for unity, i must say it is kind of hard to want to be unified with someone who wants to sue the pants off you! Anyway to all on the site, whilst many of us have differant viewpoints and beliefs, keep on posting them as the only way things are going to get better for students is if their problems are kept in the public domain. HAVE A GREAT CHRISTMAS AND A VERY VERY GOOD NEW YEAR!
Kris Nicol <nippernicol@Kris54.fsnet.co.uk>
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 11:43:09 (GMT)
A deeper and deeper hole .......
Dear Joan/Suren - you are just digging yourself a deeper hole by the minute! How strange that both of you have threatened users of these chat pages with law suits! How strange that you both have an appalling use of grammar, not to mention the fact that you use the same phrases, almost word for word! I feel really sorry for you if you can't be honest enough to post messages as yourself - or perhaps deep down you're really just embarrassed by your own opinions!? Marie
Marie <marie.claire@lineone.net>
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 10:42:09 (GMT)
Merry Christmas!!!
Well its that time of year again when I put my tree up, stuff my turkey and watch "The Sound Of Music!"(oh and not to mention plummet down to the extremes of overdraftiness!!) so it must be XMAS Time!!! Hope you all have a great Xmas and that you'll keep the debates alive in 2001 just as you all have over the past year! How many of us are working over the festive period??? If you are then have a good one and if not then enjoy your time off!!!(lucky swines ;o)!!LOL) Best wishes always Chris Headland :o) <---(100% genuine the last time I checked!!!)-ahhem!!
Chris Headland <ans_wales@lineone.net>
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 02:04:30 (GMT)
now i know its you suren
the spelling, the phrases and now u set yourself up with a phoney email adress....yep..im convinced!
sue
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 01:28:41 (GMT)
Poor Nursing Students
Well it seems all of you who has responded to my postings are so obsessed with this guy it is unbelievable. What is this obsession about? Are all of you simple minded and cannot see beyond yourselves. This lawyer thing. What is this all about? Well I am English born and bred and educated in Milton Keynes. Why am I in Saudi Arabia, well the pay is better and tax free with free accomodation and I get my air ticket paid for me so I can visit my kids and I am in the private sector, the people are respectful and they appreciate us foreign nurses very much. Let me see when you graduate what would you earn £14 500,00 per year. Well I am very happy where I am and I feel sorry that you misstook me for someone else. By the way I have a child who wants to become a nurse and lives in England. He is just finishing his "A" levels and wants to be a nurse. I was only being supportive. I felt by supporting nursing students I would also be supporting my child. If this is your attitude towards trained staff nurses, then I do not blame them for not supporting student nurses. From the postings I read on this website, if I was a staff nurse and knew any of you I would exercise extra caution in how I address any of you, for the simple reason that I want to be sure that I do not upset any of you angles. I would not engage any of you into clinical practice and only do when I am asked to do so by any one of you. The simple reason is you are supernumery and not allowed to do this, that or another. So please do not associate me with this person Suren cause I am not him. Well now you got my email address as well.
Joan Savage <Sjoan69@aol.com>
- Friday, December 22, 2000 at 01:15:39 (GMT)
suren...oops joan!
why would a qualified nurse working in suadi arabia be interested in students sticking together, bursarys and maternity pay? if you are who you say.....you must be a one in amillion staff nurse....all english staff nurses could take a leaf out of your book......coz i havent ever met one yet who gives a toss about students or their pay!!!! as for a lawyer- well that would be a first in legal history, to prosecute (let alone find!) a bunch of students on the net , who probably arent even using their own names, cough , cough i mention no names!
sue
- Thursday, December 21, 2000 at 23:31:21 (GMT)
OH I HAVE A FAN (SARCASM)
I really don't know what to say Joan the ironic thing is the only time I have become personal and reacted aggresively toward a person as opposed to the general status of student Nursing, and that time was with Suren! Who you are, is not important to me you don't know me and you are choosing to interpret what I have written the way you want. I know what I mean and I admit that I am not good at expressing myself but I do try... My problem, as I have said before is that, I am extremely sarcastic and that is not always interpreted well when written! so I am sorry for that & sorry that I have upset you too lily... I mean Joan Savage! oooh sorry a bit more humour slipped in. sorry......
Lynette
- Thursday, December 21, 2000 at 21:38:23 (GMT)
Please stop harassing me I am really a woman and you attack my gender i have had a lawyer to reading this postings and he says I can have a good cae in the courts if you carry on.. Students we all need to stick together and be finding the better bursary for all, also the maternity benefits please stop attacking me just because I am a woman
Joan Savage
- Thursday, December 21, 2000 at 17:03:14 (GMT)
Suuren please come out of hiding we know its you
- Thursday, December 21, 2000 at 15:53:58 (GMT)
OWN UP SUREN WE KNOW IT'S YOU!!!
I was just as suspicious as your supporters club that you had come back. Your classic Suren phrases just skip form your fingers onto the screen, just like George.W.Bush. How we do enjoy your contributions! Joan has no idea who Suren is, but she was rather quick to presume he was male. Like many others until I met heard him at RCN Congress I didn't know what gender it was if any. Joan must be very clever to know that or perhaps it is Suren all along. Who uses there full name of this site anyway? Only somebody in disguise. Poor Joan is insulted we thought she was Suren, with such a false name as Joan Savage how couls anybody presuma otherwise, seems to happen a little too often. I an offended by Suren thinking I am so stupid as to belive I couldn't workj out who the usual 'peace to the world' contributions are from. Be brave Suren own up we won't eat you (yet).
Emma
- Thursday, December 21, 2000 at 13:05:14 (GMT)
DISAPPOINTMENT
well i am sorry to disappoint you all, i have no idea who this suren is. i am a female and 100% female and i feel insulted that people are so shallow and once again presume me to be someone else. sorry guys and gals. i am a female and a qualified nurse who works in saudi arabia.
Joan Savage
- Thursday, December 21, 2000 at 00:02:19 (GMT)
LOL...wb suren
sarah
- Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 22:44:00 (GMT)
HE's BACK BUT THIS TIME IN DISGUISE HOO RAYYYYYYYY!!!!
I was suspicious when I first read Joans postings but the latest posting included some of the those unique Suren phrases eg they got to stick together and stop these petty arguments. sorry matey your covers blown but welcome back anyway your literary prowess has been sorely missed.
Suren Supporters Club
- Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 13:25:46 (GMT)
RE: Democracy
Hi Sue, I agree with you that people should have their freedom of speech. But if can go back a few months and see what she has written and the abuse hurled to people who disagreed with her then you would understand why i sadi what i said. Soemtimes people say and do things out of frustration or had a bad day at the office. But respect comes with respect. We all understand that nursing students have got a bad deal in regards to funding, placements, etc. But being rude to people have different views is not acceptable. Watch this space and see her response to my posting. It is ok for her to enjoy her so called democratic right but not for others to enjoy theirs. Well if nursing students really want to make a difference about their career and future they got to stick together and stop this petty arguments. Merry christmas to you and your family
Joan Savage
- Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 10:40:21 (GMT)
yeah peace man
hippy nurse
- Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 00:53:48 (GMT)
reply to joan
whilst i agree with you, that everyone has the right to their own opinion, is this not a place to have discussions? do we not have the right to disagree with anothers opinion? is that not expressing our own opinion? as for hating one another- i have not read on this site of anyone expressing that emotion.
sue
- Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 00:52:32 (GMT)
Democracy
I am amazed that Lynette speaks about democracy, respect and being human. I have been reading your postings on this website for sometime now. All I read is hatred and if nobody agrees with you, you become angry and nasty towards that person. From your loast posting in response to another reader this shows how a nasty person you are and what you lack in self esteem and honour. You should make yourself selfaware and ask yourself why am I so bitter and angry at everyone who disagrees with me? You can be a good nurse/parent. But respect other people and if u are half the decent person you say you are, you would accept that you are not 100% correct and that you have faults as well. So please stop this bitterness within yourself and reach out and love yourself and others than hate them like you hate yourself. Before you go and become abusive towards me and many others. Think why did I write this? Why did this person took time to post this? When you answer these questions then you have that right to abuse me like you abuse others on here.
Joan Savage
- Tuesday, December 19, 2000 at 23:47:38 (GMT)
COUNSELLING
Poor student nurses, we do all winge a little bit. Perhaps thats why people don't take you seriously. You are all so poor you can afford to spend your lives logged on it this site. I am not surprised anybody from the ANS wont put there names on, they get a load of pathetic out of touch crap from winging nurses. As a said before get real!
Emma
- Monday, December 18, 2000 at 20:31:56 (GMT)
counselling
why is the ans member anonymous? how will any student nurses be able to take up counselling sessions when they work long hours in order to supplement their bursaries? i personally find it hard to find time to eat let alone attend counselling session because i'm "stressed" due to working a 20+ hour week and being a single parent and a student nurse - i feel drained, burnt out and i/m not even thirty! anyone who think student nurses have enough cash to live on should be ashamed of themselves. sorry if i sound harsh but .....................
nat
- Monday, December 18, 2000 at 17:40:41 (GMT)
Robin and Chris, I hate to redress the old stories of the past, but I fear that in a moment of haste you may have misunderstood my posting...What I was attempting to say (apparantly badly) was that people were posting messages defending people who did not need defending as I don't feel that they have done anything wrong in order to need to be defended.I did NOT mean that they weren't worth defending which I think it may have looked like. I was commenting also, that I thought it even less worth while to defend human beings to the cold hearted moronics posted by Felicity! I am not a meer student I too am a human with life experiences which are gruelling and have taught me how important it is to see everyone for what they are and not what we think they are.. So I am sorry that I wasn't as clear before, I am not good at expressing myself through this medium.
Lynette
- Sunday, December 17, 2000 at 20:38:31 (GMT)
Get Real!!
All nurses should be aware of what is good and bad research. Quite fankly a 'survey' if thats what you can call it placed in a low quality nursing rag mag aimed at an ignorantly biased audience with a phone line organised by a 'union' with incompetent wisdom. Can you really call that representative and credible? I don't think so. It is about time some people in nursing wake up and get real. Emma
Emma
- Sunday, December 17, 2000 at 11:41:43 (GMT)
My wedding in Scotland
I'd just like to thank all those fans who will be travelling to Dornoch on Friday to share my happy day. I know that many of my greatest fans are student nurses on inadequate bursaries and grants. If anybody would like to organise a sleep-out at my wedding, I'll make sure you get full publicity on my live webcast. All the best from a material girl...
Madonna
- Saturday, December 16, 2000 at 12:08:42 (GMT)
Private Care.
In a ideal world, no one should have to pay for private health care in the UK. Of course in real life, there is a lot to be said for it. I think that all NHS staff should be given free private type care as a perk of the job, after all, we are told about how staff being off on sick leave causes all sorts of problems to the running of the hospitals. If the staff could get treatment sooner, rather than waiting months like the rest of the population. The sooner the NHS staff would be able to get back to work. We used to have our own sick bay, but not now. My wife and I pay £54 per month for private health care. Not because we want to, but to be sure that we will get the attention that we need ,when we want it. It is the only way that one can be sure of a private room. I don't feel we should pay les tax just because we choose to pay into a private scheme, it is our choice. The nursing care is the same. RE: Telephone polls are naff because anyone can press the redial button as many times as they like. Therefore they are considerd to be one of the most unreliable forms of voting.
Mike <Mikelong@bna.net>
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 19:19:28 (GMT)
NHS -v- Private Healthcare
With reference to the recent comments to those of the RCN Adviser, Jean Bailey, perhaps some contributors to this site are unaware that trade unionists, including Unison members, are able to contribute to their own private healthcare insurance. The Manor House Hospital scheme, now renamed 'Simplyhealth', has been available to the lower paid since 1919. It origionally recruiting its members through workplaces and trade unions. Unlike many other companies, if the member has joined the scheme by the age of 60, they can remain in membership with no 'loading' of subscriptions on reaching retirement age. Current group membership costs the individual £19.08 per month, quite a difference from that of most of the other companies offering private health insurance! Further information can be found on its web site which is: www.simplyhealth.uk.com
Peggy Pryer
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 16:49:07 (GMT)
UNISON website for nursing students
UNISON is just launching a website specifically for nursing & midwifery students. It aims to provide practical advice on issues affecting students at college, on placement, and at work. The database is growing and more will be added. Please have a look and pass on your comments as we want to make sure it does the business. (www.troubleatwork.com)
Dominic Forristal <D.Forristal@unison.co.uk>
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 14:49:33 (GMT)
Your words not mine
(NO TELEPHONE POLL THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL SURVEY!!)
Sarah Roles <S.Roles@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 13:30:29 (GMT)
No where in the message is their any mention of the telephine survey being unprofessional, you have chosen to make that interpretataion. I just said the ANS survey was professional which is true. Sorry I you feel misled but it was you suggestion not mine.
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 12:34:37 (GMT)
Telephone Surveys
As one of the students who took part in the UNISON/Nursing Times Survey I am really confused as to why a telehone survey who be considered 'unprofessional' by the RCN. I beleive that many polling organisations use modern technology (i.e. telephones) to make sure they get a big enough response to make their samples valid. Haven't you stretched the term 'professional' a little too far this time? The results of the survey included 67% of students being in favour of a salary. 1,000 student nurses took part.
Sarah Roles <S.Roles@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 11:48:15 (GMT)
The purpose of the ANS Exec is to lobby at a national and regional level on behalf of RCN Student members on issues of concern to those members. Our policy on students funding should be made clear very soon following the analysis of the result of a survey of our members. As there will almost certainly be a General Election in Spring, we will be then using our offical results (NO TELEPHONE POLL THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL SURVEY!!) to influence the government at a time when we can make significant impact. We will also be launching two other significant pieces of work at RCN Congress relating to Clinical Placements and Diversity. These are issues that our members have told us concern them. It would be easy for us to make unconsidered statements on the various issues but as a forum within a PROFESSIONAL organisation that is not the way we work. Someone mentioned the stress placed on students nurses. The RCN recognised this may be a probelm that could effect our members some time ago and we have our own counselling service available to all members but if you fell we don't do enoughthen say so on our official web site. With regard to our position on the Green Paper, we welocme any proposal that will benefit student nurses but careful reading of the paper has made us aware of some extremely complex employment relations issues and it would not be appropraite for us to comment further at this time. It is however on the agenda for our next meeting and perhaps then we will comment further. Please bear in mind that all ANS Exec members are also full time nursing students and commit a tremendous amount of their valuable spare time to ANS work. To the disgruntled member, if you feel really strongly that the ANS is inactive then may I suggest that you stand for office we get very few people standing fro election but quite a few who are very quick to criticise. Elections will be held for various offices on the exec in the new year and then you too can try and make a difference.
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 11:17:40 (GMT)
positively public
Unison policy on the future of the NHS is somewhat different from the stated view of RCN spokesperson Jean Bailey --- to see more logon to Unison's website
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 11:17:30 (GMT)
PRIVATE HEALTHCARE
I was shocked to read the following statement in the Nursing Times RCN adviser Jean Bailey states "If patients require health care, we don't have a view if it's in the independant (private) sector or NHS, provided they've got the right staff" So the RCN don't care about the future of the NHS Ask the millions of American's without health care if they want an NHS ? So the message is let them eat cake, so long as a qualified nurse is handing it out Dave
Dave Thompson <dm129@mdx.ac.uk>
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 10:37:15 (GMT)
BELOW PAR, THE ANS?
Yes, I'm a bit below par, I'm just back home from the most horrendous placement shift last night, what is the ANS and its moderator doing for any of us about the stress the nhs is putting students under on the wards right now?
- Friday, December 15, 2000 at 07:14:34 (GMT)
HO HO HO
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! Have a fantastic holiday and new year!!!
ange
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 17:12:39 (GMT)
HO HO HO
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! Have a fantastic holiday and new year!
ange
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 17:11:26 (GMT)
Felicity Darling..........really!!
Now I know you are a wind-up merchant! The real Felicity's Mummy and Daddy would have paid for her to go to Public School and her spelling wouldnt be as bad as it seems so obviously to be. And as for those dreadful peasants sleeping outside on the street in their uniforms..................well good grief!! Werent they just making a stand for what is right...............increased burseries. Wake up my dear and smell the coffee this is the real world you are living in now!!
India
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 13:42:40 (GMT)
Felicity Armstrong-McKenna
Felicity - I might have got wrong but weren't you one of the people who were advocating complete privatisation of the NHS a little while ago?
Dominic
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 13:42:13 (GMT)
People who are ill
From a personal point of view I agree it can be frustrating to watch people who are on a downward spiral through the misuse of drugs or alcohol but it's important to recognise what lays behind what may be extremely destructive behaviour. Although I now work for UNISON in my previous life I worked in a day centre for people who were street homeless. That gave me a very real insight into the kind of issues that drive what can be some very ill people to the edge. Very often people who were in very real need of care and support had no chance of receiving what they needed because of lack of funding. It's important as professionals to be non-judgemental and understand that if we had been subjected to the same conditions how well who we have coped. One day on my way to work one day I remembered how damn cold it was - just 20 minute walk - then one of my first clients described how he had spent that night sleeping on the beach. How small did I feel?? There are lots of people who need help and support but instead get judged by a system that has failed them.
Dominic Forristal <D.Forristal@unison.co.uk>
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 13:34:27 (GMT)
Bravo
Hear Hear ANS and Karen for your brave words, Many thanks too for the support both public and private from the ANS Exec, in particular Chris, making me once more proud to be a member of the RCN/ANS. PS,Did anyone see this weeks Nursing Times, they had an article on the past year and there were some "commrades" as someone else called them from UNISON. A load of Nursing Students from UNISON Sleeping outside the Department of Health - HONESTLEY! What kind of message does that give to the public about us? It also looked like they were in their Uniforms. I would have had them disaplined for such conduct. Can i once more praise the ANS for not bringing us in to such dis-repute with our proffession and taking us down that dreadful road of strikes and sleepouts. Keep up the good work chaps Felicity xxxxx
Felicity Armstrong-McKenna
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 12:07:14 (GMT)
ANS POLICY
We do not discuss ANS Policy on here because it is not an official website, our official website is www.rcn.org.uk. If you really want to know our policies you can look them up on there which is the appropriate place. It has also been noted the kind of degenerate discussions on here with UNISON members, and for that reason we would rather not engage them. The whole tone of this message board is rather below par and we would rather keep our discussions on our own ANS Chatroom which i can assure you all is far superior. Many Thanks ANS Official
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 11:58:56 (GMT)
OFFICAL ANS POLICY
THE ANS DO NOT DISCUSS THEIR POLICES ON THIS WEDSITE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NONE OR THEY ARE SO WEAK THAT THEY WOULD RATHER KEEP THEM PRIVATE
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 11:37:33 (GMT)
Sorry folks I have to correct you tounges is actually spelt TONGUES!!! These kinda things bug me MERRY X-MAS TO YOU ALL tata 4 now
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 11:22:26 (GMT)
Can't we change the subject???
We can't change the world, we can't make people stop taking drugs just like people can't stop nurses being judgemental bitches..... I am a diabetic who injects 6 times a day but still work in A & E with patients who've OD'd....... Remember, no one is perfect.... self awareness and all...
Mel
- Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 01:22:23 (GMT)
Karen
Good to see Victorian principles are still alive and well. "Spare the rod and spoil the child" etc,etc...
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, December 13, 2000 at 22:47:57 (GMT)
OTs/Day Hospitals
Does anyone have any knowledge of OTs working on a day hospital and what role they undertake. For example, other than OT type of things that they are trained to do, do they also take patients to the loo or help to give out meals, or reception duties. Do they supervise patients at other times, when the patients are not in therapy groups or do they leave all the nursey things to the nursing staff and just do OT things. I am talking about DAY HOSPITALs and NOT DAY CENTRES. Day hospitals have a Nurse in charge and day centre can have anyone in charge. Thanks for any help you can give me on the matter. It is subject to hot debate at the moment where I work.
Emma <emmawingate@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, December 13, 2000 at 19:46:22 (GMT)
drug/alcohol abuse
Drug and alcohol abuse is a grey area in mental health as it is quite often a chicken and egg scenario, are they taking drugs to alleviate positive symptoms, or are the positive symptoms a direct result of drug abuse? However the fact is that people suffering with a drug or alcohol problem need help as much as anyone else. If a patient is admitted onto a general ward with lung disease would you refuse to treat them because they have been a heavy smoker all their life? We are not here to judge we are here to understand past behaviour and help with the present situation. How can we treat and care if we do not try to understand
Lindsay <lindsay_terris@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, December 13, 2000 at 19:43:49 (GMT)
circular logic
Still got two weeks of training left, though I cannot get my resit result because the comrade lecturers are witholding the results in a pay dispute. These two weeks will be on A & E, where all seem to be failed pretty equally... However, it shocks me that those within in society who end up admitted for overdose get judged before they get assessed. I recently spent a shift listening to some poor git, seemingly losing his mind, the more harrowing collection of noises I have ever heard. What made him less worthy than any of the other groups in society who damage their bodies, I do not know? One of my mates had this hugely shaping experience on an acute medical admissions unit. Some bloke had been admitted via A & E for overdose and was halfway through his parvolex. The treatment seemed to be issued with 'tough love' from the crew, which as a student he found it easier to comply with than query. Several hours later having found out that he (the pt) was recently widowed from the girl next door, his only partner in life and as far as he was concerned his rasion d'etre. She had kept him waiting around as she slowly gave it up to cancer. My mate felt pretty small about it, the way that no one was much concerned with how people reach decisions, just reacting to the writing on the ambulance form. I know my role is normally Mr Angry but "tolerance anyone"?
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Wednesday, December 13, 2000 at 19:40:33 (GMT)
family
Firstly sorry for not including my name etc on my message about stop having ago at felicity,i just forgot through anger about what i was reading, anyway to Kirsty who asks about how i would feel about a member of my family turning up on a ward, well to be honest i would be deeply ashamed and angry that they had wasted valuable NHS time and resources. As it happens i have kids and i try very hard to try and instill at their young age some sense of responsibilty to themselves and others. Not everyone does that i know , but i still feel that the NHS and taxpayers should not be picking up the bill for cases like these or at the very least they should not be made a priority and that should be made aware to the general public. Also why will the Rcn, ANS whatever not give an answer, are they ashamed of something or do they have something to hide. I am a member and i know that members of various execs write on this so why can they not answer my question, or are they going to ask me to put it in writing to a committee and then i shall recieve an answer after 28 days!!!!???? the mind boggles. Mind you UNISON Still haven't got back either yet. Karen Still fed up
Karen Holborn <kholler@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, December 13, 2000 at 17:18:28 (GMT)
THE ANS DOES NOT EXPRESS ITS OFFICAL POSITION ON ANY ISSUE ON THIS WEBSITE!
- Wednesday, December 13, 2000 at 15:35:46 (GMT)
Junkies
To everyone complaining about drug abusers/self harmers; I bet pound to a penny that if a member of your family was on a ward as a result of an overdose or self harm, you'd be disgusted if they weren't getting the best care possible. Think about it...
Kirsty Parker <Kirsty@Parker.freeserve.co.uk>
- Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 23:21:13 (GMT)
I just find it a bit hard to swallow when a patient who has just had an MI cannot be admitted because half an hour earlier, we admitted a patient, who is well known to us because he has multiple admissions, was admitted with an overdose. Try explaining that to the worried patient's wife and family! Thankfully, we managed to find a bed within 50 miles for him but had nowhere to put the OD because all the psychiatric wards were full! Makes me sick to my stomach.
- Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 21:58:37 (GMT)
Stop dissing Felicity you snobby bunch
I think Felicity was very brave to say what she said. I don't much like people who take little responsibility for themselves and find it very hard to bite my tounge when they turn up yet again on wards. I knoe some peole do it to truly escape horrors but a number of people (and most of the ones i'm talking about had well off parents)started taking drugs cause they were spoilt little rich kids and are now 12 years on just a bunch of wasters who live off taxpayers and their parents. They make me sick to be quite honest, especially when you have babies, children, elderly and horrific accidents all queing up to be seen. I never thought ANS members were in favour of wasters and would not have joined if this policy had been explained to me. What is UNISON's policy on this? Fed up Nurse
frustrated
- Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 10:17:49 (GMT)
I also don't believe I head my head up my arse when I had to explain to an acutely ill, patient that the medical ward wouldn't take her because she is an Alcoholic. Instead she would have to be treated for a serious medical condition on a hectic acute psychiatric ward.
Chris <Topaz@nurselife.com>
- Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 02:03:59 (GMT)
Dear Lynette
I don't think I had my head up my arse when I went to vist my brother on a general ward who had overdosed on methadone, and had been lying in his own filth for a day or so because the lovely caring nurses did'nt want to clean him up because he was a druggie. This is a real issue and better than the normal student whinging that goes on this site. Ta!
ROBIN <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Monday, December 11, 2000 at 21:46:23 (GMT)
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKES.........
I have no idea how or why there are so many people defending the "drunks and druggies" at the end of the day they don't need it they are human we are all human we all shit and fart and there should be no attitude problems with the people whom have to clear up the afore mentioned up! OK stroppy pants you are allowed your opinion but you are quite evidently not visualising the subjective influences on individual human beings...ps I am not slagging the people off who did defend the alcoholics etc I just think that it is a very silly load of nonsense written by people so far stuck their back passages that they use their nostrils as view finders. ta
Lynette <lynettecmorgan@hotmail.com>
- Monday, December 11, 2000 at 21:21:57 (GMT)
Oh shock, horror.
So the Queen of England, otherwise known as Christine Hancock, is shocked and horrified to find that some of the 20,000 extra nurses that the NHS is supposed to be getting will be part time. SO WHAT. There is nothing wrong with being part-time, even if they were all part-time, it would be a bloody site more "hands on deck" than we had under the grab-all-give-nothing, Tories. I am sure Hancock is Maggie Thatcher in disguise.
Miles <Milescockling@hotmail.com>
- Monday, December 11, 2000 at 19:19:55 (GMT)
In your rush to judge me you have overlooked the fact that not all of those people who have been abused or have suffered terrible hardship turn to drink or drugs. In fact some become nurses to try and help those who have suffered as they have. I dont like those who drink large amounts and then become abusive but i do understand it. I dont like those who turn to drugs to try and forget the horror they have sufered. I dont like them but i will treat them. As a nurse i dont have to like everyone i come into contact with, i just have to treat them to the best of my ability.
- Monday, December 11, 2000 at 18:56:54 (GMT)
Drunks & Drug Addicts
It dosn't suprise me that you,(who ever you are), was once a doctor's receptionist as in my experience these people are probably the most unsympathetic people in the world. Alot of people don't choose to become alcohol or drug addicts, its often an abnormal coping mechanism. Many have suffered from abuse in their lives, which takes many, many forms. Obviously these people are all weak compared to you and Flis, but i'd rather deal with these people than deal with the inhuman robots that you represent and don't harp on about being professional, instead try and remember why you became nurses.
Robin <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Monday, December 11, 2000 at 16:30:03 (GMT)
Alcohol and drugs are a release for some people. To damn people for abuse problems totally bypasses the person's needs and only serves to cause further self degradition of the person
C.R.
- Sunday, December 10, 2000 at 21:27:27 (GMT)
I have to reply to the last message. I have had many years of experience dealing with abusive patients, whether they be mentally ill or suffer from substance abuse as a GP receptionist before starting my training. I have sympathy for mentally ill patients because they do not have a choice when they get ill. Drunks and drug addicts have a choice. I have been physically and verbally attacked by them and yes, I will treat them with kindness and compassion, but that does not mean I have to like them.
- Sunday, December 10, 2000 at 20:50:05 (GMT)
Chris i havr just read your reply to Felicity and i have never read a more sanctimonius load of clap trap in my life! Taking the moral high ground is great, especially when it is at the expense of someone else. Why should we feel sorry for or charitable towards those who use and abuse the NHS such as those who take drugs or drink huge amounts? I think that Felicity was very brave to say what she did. Its all about being professional. I may not like having to treat those who i belive are wasting my and everyone elses time but i will treat them to the best of my ability. I dont have to like them.
- Sunday, December 10, 2000 at 19:44:24 (GMT)
Long Haul
Is there anyone outthere who knows the dosage of prophylactic asprin prior to a long haul flight and also when it should be commenced? Cheers J
j smith
- Sunday, December 10, 2000 at 19:35:40 (GMT)
Tounges???!!
Bitchy...ME. Never!
Donna <donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk>
- Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 01:43:45 (GMT)
Does the ANS have any views on anything at all
Seems like the ANS is still wondering if they do have an opinion on this or not. It seems like they do not have anything to say. Will someone from the RCN ANS please set our minds at ease and let us know what is their view on this latest green paper
Disgruntled RCN Student Member
- Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 00:36:50 (GMT)
reply to flissy dahling
felicity you've changed your tune.you say you'd be willing to pay more so that those who are poor or with families could enter nursing for less......in your previous posting did you not advise these particular people to get the hell out of nursing and go and be heatlh care support workers?
sue
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 23:57:50 (GMT)
ps donna thanks for pointing out the details in this week nursing standard i will look out for it,i have taken down the addreses. i would also would like to point out that i do i have a prison placement coming up soon which i am looking forward too very much. i know i will just love it after all i have worked on a voluntary bases with the homeless which included ex cons along people SUFFERING with alcohol, drugs problems, some swear, smoke and very occasionally can become violent mainly due to the mental problems they suffer from. also i would like to say that i am almost finished my last year as i student nurse who has not trained in mental nursing but in ADULT. so to felicity, who is out numbered, i would just like to say i am glad we are all not like her, if so god help our society. have a drunking fun christmas you guysxxxxxxxxxx
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 22:16:59 (GMT)
thanks so much
thankyou to those who repled to my message. i will let you know how i got on thanks again arlenexxxxxxxxxxxx
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 21:39:37 (GMT)
Tounges
Some people are a little bitchy with their tounges on her mentioning no names Donna.
Emma
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 20:00:30 (GMT)
Arlene - Prison Nursing... Funny you should ask!
Turn to page 27 of this weeks Nursing Standard (Dec 6/vol 15/no 12/2000). Somebody there has asked almost exactly the same question. For England and Wales contact: The director of nursing, Prison Health Task Force, G19 Wellington House,133-155 Waterloo Rd, London SE1 8UG. Tel: 0207 972 4483. For Scotland, contact: The Scottish Prison Service, Carlton House, 5 Redheughs Rigg, Edinburgh EH12 9HW. Tel: 0131 556 8400. It also suggests contacting the healthcare manager at your local prison to arrange a visit. Hope this helps. Good Luck.
Donna <donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 17:31:29 (GMT)
Felicity...
Re: your comment that we should all take responsibility for our own health. Although I agree that you are fully entitled to your opinion, a good nurse should never take his/her prejudices to the bedside. We are not there to judge, we are there to promote recovery WHATEVER the cause of their condition. Does your comment also apply to people who suffer sports injuries?. Afterall they know the risks. Or, what about people who visit people knowing that they have infectious diseases? Etc. Etc. Ad Infinitum. As for smokers, the amount of tax paid on a packet of cigarettes more than covers any future health costs. Perhaps we should all wrap ourselves in cotton wool and live in oxygen tents, that way we would no longer be a burden to the poor NHS. Oh, if you find swearing disgusting you are DEFINATELY in the wrong job - I could write a book of all the swear words that have come out of the mouths of patients. As for me, I'll remember not to say 'shit' the next time a doctor gives me an episiotomy without anaesthetic, and not to say 'bollocks' the next time I suffer post-partum haemorrhage and am told that I've lost just over a litre of blood, and because I smoke (not when pregnant though) I won't trouble my doctor with any smoking related dieases I may contract, OK?
Donna <donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk>
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 17:06:04 (GMT)
prison nursing
Arlene, hi i don't know much about prison nursing myself, but you may find you have better luck if you go to www.google.com, type in prison, go down to and click on 'search within these results',in the box which will then come up type in nurse, then do the same again but type in HMP( the box should then come up as 'prison nurse HMP'hopefully then you should find something more relevent to what your looking for. (don't start your search with the full sentence of what you looking for!!)anyway good luck!!
Hadassah
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 17:05:04 (GMT)
scottish nursing job site
hi everyone can anyone help me before i go quite mad.i am not very good with finding things on the net, what i would like to know is, does anyone know of a good employment site for d grade nurses in SCOTLAND?, there seems to be loads of jobs in england but i cant find any in scotland and i dont want to work for an nursing agency, because i cant drive yet, hospitals much prefered. i am also however VERY keen on 'PRISON NURSING' in this case it doesnt mater if it is in england or scotland, but everytime i type in the word prison nurse/officer, i end up with reports on the'saudi nurse' that was sent to prison. please can anyone help me before i throw this pc out of the window. thanks xxx arlene
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 13:23:33 (GMT)
Maternity Pay: looks like UNISON gets it wrong again
Just for clarity nobody has plans to give nursing students maternity benefits the government are considering it. You refer to a green paper which is for consultation for policy. Try page 21 of the green paper it will put a few things straight avalibale at www.dti.gov.uk. Look like UNISON aren't concerned any longer or even bothered. I regret paying the ten pound now because they never really cared. May be try a credible newspaper next time. In the mirror today.....Trade Secretary Stephen Byers will today unveil plans to give them (nursing students) maternity pay.....They are denied maternity pay because they are offically students....ALICE DAWNAY Nursing Student Officer for health union UNISON said "This is really good news. We were really concerned at the situation." (the ANS are still having their meetings about what to do I suppose)
Emma
- Friday, December 08, 2000 at 02:12:54 (GMT)
Felicity, What kind of nurse are you going to be if you cannot, as you put it, "feel particularly charitable towards drug addicts, drunks, smokers, problems caused by completely dis-respecting the body."? Don't these people deserve a decent standard of health care too? Do you really believe the "drunks" (as you call them) and the drug addicts choose to live the life they do? Isn't it possible that the circumstances of their life and the attitude of people like you may have had an influence? I do not smoke, drink or use drugs, and I still hope I never end up on a ward with you as my nurse. Somehow I don't think you have any intention of getting your hands dirty for too long. I imagine you will consider your time on the wards as a stepping stone to higher things, not as a time where you want to care for an individual, no matter what their personal circumstances. Or maybe your intention is to join the private sector once the NHS has spent thousands training you.
Chris <Topaz@nurselife.com>
- Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 22:47:44 (GMT)
DO you fund yourself or does mater and pater fund you? Felicity.
- Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 20:47:26 (GMT)
Thank you
Felicity, thank you for returning and for your views. I may not agree with all of them but good on you for sharing them. This is what pluralistic democracy is about and why ALL views are valid. Keep sharing them.
Ray Rowden <ray@rolf99.freeserve.co.uk>
- Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 16:47:19 (GMT)
An apology from Felicity
I have Just returned from holiday to see the replies to my previous message and i appear to have caused some offence and may have come across as insensetive. I do apologise. I too was upset to see the replies and thought long and hard whether to post this message but i thought that the idsea of this facilitiy was to have discussions with each other that are honest and that we are unable to have in our usual forums. What i was trying to get across before was that if i couldn't afford something then i wouldn't buy it and if i thought that i wasn't going to be able to fund myself through University then i may have chosen a different route to Nursing or a different career. In replies to your replies, i happen to think that British Trained Nurses ARE the best, i think it is a very sad reflection that we have to recruit so many foreign nurses because A) we don't have enough and B)It deprives those countries of their trained nurses, which i think is very wrong. with reference to some of the other replies i got, i happen to think that the NHS was not set up originally to treat everything going and people didn't expect it either. I think somepeople refuse to take responsibilty for themselves and then expect the Tax payer to pick up the pieces for them. You are correct in your assumption that i do not feel particulary charitable towards drug addicts, drunks, smokers, problems caused by completly dis-respecting the body. I don't have a pony but my Parents are lucky enough to have some money and in all honesty i would be completely willing to pay more so that those who were poor and with families and wanted to go in to Nursing were able to do so for less. By the way please don't use swearwords, i find them disgusting! Yours Truly Felicity Armstrong McKenna
Felicity Armstrong-McKenna <j89g6@lu.ac.uk>
- Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 16:04:41 (GMT)
New BBC show 'Housemates' looking for Contestants
The BBC are looking for teams of 4 housemates to take part in the new entertainment show 'HOUSEMATES'. Do you want to win a luxury flat rent free for a year? Are you a group of 4 housemates? Do you enjoy playing games and work well as a team? To apply to be on this brand new TV show call now on 020 8576 8557 or e-mail housemates@bbc.co.uk Deadline for applications March 2001, but filming for the series starts January 2001, so get your applications in quick!!
Housemates <housemates@bbc.co.uk>
- Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 15:39:53 (GMT)
Maternity rights 4 student nurses
In the mirror today.....Trade Secretary Stephen Byers will today unveil plans to give them (nursing students) maternity pay.....They are denied maternity pay because they are offically students....ALICE DAWNAY Nursing Student Officer for health union UNISON said "This is really good news. We were really concerned at the situation." (the ANS are still having their meetings about what to do I suppose)
Dominic
- Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 09:47:53 (GMT)
well anon writer are you there???
louise brown <lbrown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 21:34:04 (GMT)
the word you are looking for is CYNICAL everyones got a right to their own opinion so lets not start mud slinging again, or if we are at least be man enough to include your name!!!! louise brown
louise brown <lbrown-1@plymouth.ac.uk>
- Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 21:32:16 (GMT)
Dominic you're being very synical - not!
- Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 21:19:35 (GMT)
NIck Brown from cornwall if you are reading this please contact me asap need to discuss future plans thanks
lbrown-1@plymouth.ac.uk
- Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 21:17:40 (GMT)
NHS Trained Consultants Payback
I have an idea how to raise money for the NHS. Tony Blair has said new consultants should not be able to practice privately for the first 7 years as consultants. I would suggest that they should be allowed to undertake private work, but as a payment to the NHS that trained them, they should have to pay 50% of all private income to the NHS whenever they practice in private medcine.
Ian Robarts <idrobs@talk21.com>
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 21:02:06 (GMT)
THE SUN
Spot on Roger. For all its faults the NHS remains one of the few systems which covers all citizens, regardless of ability to pay. In the USA 40 million citizens, many in work, have no insurance cover because either they, or their employer, cannot afford it. The poor and dispossesed are even more marginalised. We need to keep faith with the NHS, pool our collective risks through general taxation and use the new monies coming to the NHS wisely. Sod the Sun and Murdoch and his ilk!
Ray Rowden <ray@rolf99.freeserve.co.uk>
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 20:44:30 (GMT)
RE: the SUN says
I do not have any expereince of Canadian winters, but I lived in Baltimore in Maryland for a couple. The hospitals did seem to cope with the onset of winter with considerable ease, however they were not delivering care universally. It was not unusual to see City employees loading the remains of those who had frozen to death from the sidewalks on a 'crisp' morning. They obviously had not benefitted from FREE health care available universally. They had just had the opportunity to be poor, drunk, homeless, lonely and finally dead. Working in A & E at the moment, I see a LOT of people who would just end up dead over in the U.S.. Baltimore is also the home to some of the most respected medical and nursing schools in the country, so a shortage of staff and/or facilities was never the problem. Personally, this crap system has saved my life twice now, whether that is a good thing is of course open to debate, but I know that with my background if I were a Yank I would be long since departed.
Roger Obermaier <roger@obermaier.freeserve.co.uk>
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 19:50:32 (GMT)
The Sun Speaking from where the sun doesnt Shine
I have worked in the NHS for 20 years and i can officially confirm that when the Sun speaks about the NHS and Labours work with the NHS, it is speaking from where the sun doesnt shine. If the NHS is so bad why do more people not choose to use private health providers. I suggest to those people who have loads-a-money, that they pay for private health, which would allow the nhs to provide a fantastic service for those who cant afford private health. Labour has been in government for only a few years and has so far provided billions of extra funding above and beyond that promissed by the Tory party. What is Mr Hagues big idea, what a surprise, 8 billion of tax cuts. We allready have the lowest taxation in most of europe and willy wants to give a couple of pence to us, although we arnt sure where from as yet.
Ian Robarts <idrobs@talk21.com>
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 19:38:41 (GMT)
Re: the sun says
So the bottom line is that the Sun advocates complete privatisation of the NHS and the abandoning of the principals behind the the setting up of the NHS. So doctors are in favour of privatisation? I suppose that there's more than just a few who would see privatisation as a bit of a money spinner.
Dominic
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 15:54:02 (GMT)
The Sun Says - but they didn't ask us
A dead loss Let's not kid ourselves - the National Health Service doesn't work any more. Free treatment for all was a brilliant achievement 50 years ago. But the world has changed. People live longer, expensive high-tech operations save thousands more lives and wonder drugs cost a packet. We're barely into the first week of December and already Tony Blair is warning that hospitals won't cope with the winter rush. What a condemnation of the NHS Winters are much worse in Canada and much of the United States, but their hospitals manage. The trouble is we've all grown up expecting treatment to be free. There is no incentive to spend our own money. A seminar by the Adam Smith Institute last week exposed the bizarre truth: Britain's proportion of health spending that goes to the private sector is the lowest in the world apart from Bosnia, Luxembourg and Pacific islands. But we get very poor value for all the billions of taxpayers' money America's biggest healthcare provider, Kaiser Permanente, offers its eight million largely working class members a superior package to the NHS at lower comparable cost. While 79 per cent of Kaiser members see a specialist within 14 days, the NHS won't match that even by 2008. Labour has spent most of its first term in power worrying about how to win a second term. Now that looks secure, it is time to be bold and radical. The monolithic NHS needs tearing apart - with private hospitals providing high quality care on a contract basis. Pumping billions more into the NHS will just be a waste. Eight out of 10 doctors feel that way. No other country in the world has a crazy system like the NHS, run like a Soviet-style Politburo. There's a challenge for your second term, Mr Blair
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 15:50:17 (GMT)
nursingtimes.net
Nurse wins £100,000 compensation for latex glove allergy A Cardiff nurse has won £100,000 in an out-of-court settlement from her employers after developing severe eczema from latex gloves. Cardiff and Vale NHS Trust agreed to pay the former staff nurse, Diane Chambers, after she was forced to retire from ill health. Unison, who represented Chambers, said the settlement is one of the largest to date and will be seen as a landmark in future compensation cases. Chambers, who has been a nurse for 30 years, first developed eczema rashes on her hands in 1990 when she had to use latex gloves on a trauma ward at Cardiff Royal Infirmary. After three months on sick leave, Chambers paid to see a private dermatologist rather than wait another nine months for an NHS referral. Skin tests revealed she had type 4 contact dermatitis and was allergic to nickel as well as rubber. But when she requested PVC gloves, as recommended by the dermatologist, her employers were less than sympathetic. 'The manager didn't believe me. I was suspended and made to feel useless. I was stunned and shocked because as a staff nurse I am trusted with patients and drugs,' she said. Chambers was finally moved to a different ward and had to use examination gloves which were not waterproof. But in 1997, when her hands swelled up and became infected, she left the profession. Chambers said she has spoken out to stop others suffering needlessly. Unison's national officer for health, Jon Richards said: 'Latex in rubber gloves is a well known irritant and the NHS cannot affford to lose well trained, experienced nurses through their failure to combat this problem. 'We think there should be a ban on powered latex gloves. For staff using latex gloves if there is any kind of reaction, there should automatically be alternatives,' he said. In another landmark case settled in court last year, Unison successfully sued a health trust for injiuring a senior orthopaedic technician by exposure to latex.
Dominic Forristal <D.Forristal@unison.co.uk>
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 13:07:01 (GMT)
No! Not the Community Profile-its name is despair!
Dear Jennie, If this is anything like the utterly pointless soul-destroying thing I had to do on my nursing course then despair. Its not hard, it won't tax the brain, it won't make you think oh thats useful, it will just make you weep at the sheer injustice of the world. Basically, its thing the colleges come up with to fill in the gaps of their piss-poor nursing course. So how do you pass it? Basically you have to find an electoral ward and profile it. This involves gathering infomation from different sources. The local council- extremely helpful, after the thirty-second student arrives, asking for infomation on Crackville, they start employing, sharp-shooters, to shoot you in the head so you don't waste their valuble time. If you've survived this go to your local health promotion centre, make sure your armed as if your a character in a Resident Evil game because their just as surly and just want to get rid of you and I'm pretty sure they are memebers of the living dead. Then trail around crackville, counting the number of doctor's surgerys, dentists, dial-a-bus schemes, chemists that dispense methadone in full view of the rest of society and fish & chip shops and record them on a nice chart, make an acetate of this for your presentation. During your presentation, give your fellow students speed or even better Angel dust to keep them awake. Then once you feel ready, sell your soul to the devil and write a 3000 word essay on the subject, including some report by some bloke who is a famous sociologist whom I have forgotten. Also sprinkle your essay with lots about health promotion from that fantastic work of art by Naidoo & Wills. Then pray to some higher power that you don't have to resit. Aim for about 45%. If you pass you will never again have to face anything as utterly pointless on your nursing course, you just spend your next three or so years feeling angry and ripped-off, but you can live with that.
Hobbes <JUJUHOBBES@Hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 00:08:32 (GMT)
community profiles
Help please!!! Can anyone out there help me with starting my assignment for a community profile. any support would be welcome
Jennie Evans <jenmarcus7210@yahoo.co.uk>
- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 14:35:28 (GMT)
HEEELP!
One thing I do know and that is my spelling is terrible!!! *L*
Claire <topnotchbird@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, December 02, 2000 at 19:40:25 (GMT)
HEEELP!
Am a applying for an E grade job and I haven't got a clue what to write in the covering letter. You know, the bit where you should put in mhy your the one for the jobd etc......Can anyone help?
Claire <topnotchbird@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, December 02, 2000 at 19:39:19 (GMT)
Re: NVQ's
NVQ - stands for National Vocational Qualification. There are different levels of NVQ's ie. 1,2 and 3...etc. (I,unfortuneately don't have any of these qualifications). A 'care assistant' who is at NVQ level 3 will have had years of experience of (non-qualified) nursing, coupled with training and assesment which will bring him/her to a high level of compentcy with tasks such as vital signs, nutrition,patient care....the list goes on.... I simply can't emphasise the importance of health care assistants (HCA's), with or without NVQ's. Student nurses learn alot from HCA's as they very often form the backbone of the ward team. Hope this answers your question. Yours,
Donna <donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk>
- Saturday, December 02, 2000 at 03:01:21 (GMT)
Re: study help
Thanks to everybody who replied to neurotic student nurse of the century....! No, seriously, thanks to all of you who have replied. You have all helped me to realise that we all cope differently, and that I'm not alone here. The exam last Thusday (30/11/00) wasn't as bad as I'd thought it would be. I start my first placement on Monday and am really looking forward to it - I'm sure it will consolidate the theory. A very big thank you again.....from
Donna <donna-c@carey-d.freeserve.co.uk>
- Saturday, December 02, 2000 at 02:34:22 (GMT)
mmmmmm
well i must say its very quiet in here just lately.Waaaaassssuuuuppppp are you all on placement or what?
sarah <sarahandkev@supanet.com>
- Saturday, December 02, 2000 at 00:40:36 (GMT)
NursingTimes.Net
Unison Students win nurses' home reprieve Andrew Heenan posted on 29/11/00 Forward This Page To A Friend Or Colleague One hundred Nursing Students living in the nurses home at St Andrew's Hospital, Bow, East London are celebrating victory after a hard fought campaign to stop their imminent eviction by Newham Healthcare. The Trust was intending to sell the building as part of a process of consolidating their service onto fewer sites. The Nursing Students, members of Unison, received letters informing them of the Trust's plans on November 7, and their campaign began; they won the support of local MP Jim Fitzpatrick as well as Mayor Ken Livingstone and Chris Holmes of Shelter. Alice Dawnay, an Area Organisor for Unison, says the campaign succeeeded due to the high level of commitment and solidarity among the members. The students organised petitions among colleagues, and involved the University, as well as an all night vigil outside the Department of Health, Whitehall in freezing conditions on 14 November. They led a National Union of Students march through central London, appeared on television and in national newspapers to highlight their plight. The Department of Health stepped into the dispute to ensure that Nursing students can stay in the home for at least another two years and that security improvements are made to the home. Many of the students faced having to resign from the course if they had to pay for private rented accommodation. Note: A Trust spokesperson was not available for comment; nursingtimes.net will be happy to add their comment if provided later.
Dominic Forristal <D.Forristal@unison.co.uk>
- Friday, December 01, 2000 at 10:52:13 (GMT)